Byzantine Lectionary (Gregorian) Ends 31 August 2019

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Ian Kirk | Forum Activity | Posted: Wed, Sep 4 2019 6:24 PM

The Byzantine Lectionary (Gregorian) ended with 31 August 2019. As the church year started 1 September, what is the timeline for updating the resource?

I thought I was having an individual issue but found Look for updated Lectionary resources on October 17, and realized its the same issue.

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NB.Mick | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Sep 5 2019 12:44 AM

Ian Kirk:
The Byzantine Lectionary (Gregorian) ended with 31 August 2019. As the church year started 1 September, what is the timeline for updating the resource?

From what FL informed in another thread, it's in the works and coming within the calendar year, but as you saw, not early enough to seamlessly cover the orthodox church year

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David Ames | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Sep 5 2019 4:54 AM

Ian Kirk:

The Byzantine Lectionary (Gregorian) ended with 31 August 2019. As the church year started 1 September, what is the timeline for updating the resource?

Faithlife should add this to their do list for each year.   One problem is that there are too few customers for Orthodox Products [and also other groups] so that Faithlife does not have a manager for the product.    

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We will have the Byzantine lectionary work done by the end of the calendar year.  It is likely we'll have it done before that but these lectionaries are very complicated and take time to work through.

We'll post an update to this thread when we have more information.

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David Ames | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Sep 5 2019 1:41 PM

What happened to the plan to make any lectionariy in Verbum work independent of the real year?  That is to not require that changes be made every year. [[That is enter any date and get correct listings of the readings for that date]]   [[Then Orthodox may need to move from Logos to Verbum]] 

Or is that date fix proving as difficult as importing PBBs into mobile devices?

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Sep 5 2019 1:47 PM

David Ames:
What happened to the plan to make any lectionariy in Verbum work independent of the real year?  That is to not require that changes be made every year. [[That is enter any date and get correct listings of the readings for that date]]   [[Then Orthodox may need to move from Logos to Verbum]] 

That is actually a very complex problem. However, segregating the ordo portion from the lectionary portion would make maintenance simpler and permit a feature to allow the user to customize for their diocese.

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Ian Kirk | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Sep 5 2019 2:12 PM

Thanks, Craig.

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Dan | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Sep 23 2019 8:08 AM

This is pretty much the most important feature of the software for me. And it’s been nonfunctional this month. May as well go back to print if Verbum is not committed to maintaining the Byzantine (Revised Julian) lectionary.

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Kyle G. Anderson | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Sep 23 2019 8:17 AM

It's being worked on. It's turned out more complex than we anticipated.

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Ian Kirk | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Oct 2 2019 7:49 AM

Will the fix be a permanent fix, or is this something we will have expect to happen again?

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Kyle G. Anderson | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Oct 2 2019 9:02 AM

Ian Kirk:

Will the fix be a permanent fix, or is this something we will have expect to happen again?

Not "permanent" but the plan is to push it out as far as possible like we did earlier this year with our other lectionaries.

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Ian Kirk | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Nov 16 2019 9:48 PM

So, I discovered something odd today. On my Android, the Lectionary pulls up today's readings. I went a little into the future, and sure enough it's there.

However, my desktop version of Logos still has the OP issue.

Assuming it's fixed (based on my Android loaded Logos), how do I get my desktop version to update?

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Ian Kirk | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Nov 17 2019 7:39 AM

Looks like the desktop version also updated last night. Timing is everything. Smile

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David Ames | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Nov 17 2019 8:03 AM

Some day Verbum might make lectionaries a true part of the product.  What that will involve is identifying what calendar it uses and how to convert a given worldly year to a reasonable lectionary year.  At that time Orthdox will need to move to the Verbum world.  [[all this has been said over and over again - it most likely will never happen as there are a limited number of lectionaries, but a small number of users, and as long as we are satisfied in only looking ahead to the end of next year fixing them as needed is the cheapest way out.]]   [[we do need to read to the end of next year when preparing for next years publications / handouts / lesson materials.]]  [[But lectionaries are very useful even for those that are in churches that do not use them. Need a verse for the day?  Open a lectionary and see the wisdom of hundreds of years of thought on the subject!]]

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Blair Laird | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Jul 5 2020 6:42 AM

Was the lectionary upgraded? Mine does not seem to read the way the Greek Orthodox website reads today. Other days I have seen it reading correctly 

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Ian Kirk | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Jul 5 2020 8:23 PM

Yes, the lectionary was updated. What you are seeing is how Logos separates different "days" on the same day. You are seeing the "first" reading. There is a second. I'm not sure I like how Logos does it, then again, I'm not sure how I'd do it.

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Ian Kirk | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Jul 5 2020 8:26 PM

Yes, it was updated. What you are seeing is how Logos deals with different reading sets (observances) for the same day. If you scroll down, you should see the second reading. I'm not overly happy with how Logos does this, but I'm not sure of a better way, as the readings are tied to the particular observance, and really shouldn't be mixed as (let's say) the Orthodox Church in America does it (who also added Song of Solomon readings, which I didn't see anywhere else).

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Ian Kirk | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Jul 5 2020 8:27 PM

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Ian Kirk | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Jul 5 2020 8:29 PM

Yes, it was updated. You're seeing the split readings due to different observances. Orthodox Church in America combines them all together (and even added more from Song of Solomon). This is how Logos deals with the different readings based upon observances.

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Ian Kirk | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Jul 5 2020 8:31 PM

Yes, the lectionary was updated.

If you scroll down in the lectionary, you should find the additional readings. Logos separates standard lectionary from observances. Same thing happens in the Roman Catholic and Episcopal church lectionaries.

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