JEDP in Logos

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Theo | Forum Activity | Posted: Sun, Sep 15 2019 6:44 PM

Is there an easy way to color the texts in Logos so that one could know which passages by color fit the JEDP docunmentary hypothesis?

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Denise | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Sep 15 2019 7:07 PM

One of the older OT's shipped last year (not at my pc) was coded for JEPD. The issue you'd have is 'which JEPD hypothesis' (it's a theory; the assignments vary), and recognition the coding is at word/phrase level, not verse.


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Theo | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Sep 15 2019 7:31 PM

Exactly. This is what I have found myself. Variegated theories with consensus being hard to establish and follow.

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Sean | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Sep 15 2019 8:17 PM

Theo:

Is there an easy way to color the texts in Logos so that one could know which passages by color fit the JEDP docunmentary hypothesis?

This is something I've been studying recently, and I'd love to see something like this. Perhaps it could be done with a visual filter? Unfortunately I don't know anything about those.

In my present studying, I use The Hebrew Bible: Andersen-Forbes Analyzed Text, Francis I. Andersen; A. Dean Forbes. It's tagged according to Eissfeldt's version of the Hypothesis. I hover over the text, and it tells me the source. Coloring to differentiate the sources would be much more convenient and useful.

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Theo | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Sep 15 2019 8:23 PM

Can a passage list be made of all of J then E then P and can each list be color coded using a highlighter function?

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Theo | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Sep 15 2019 8:28 PM

Sean:

Theo:

Is there an easy way to color the texts in Logos so that one could know which passages by color fit the JEDP docunmentary hypothesis?

This is something I've been studying recently, and I'd love to see something like this. Perhaps it could be done with a visual filter? Unfortunately I don't know anything about those.

In my present studying, I use The Hebrew Bible: Andersen-Forbes Analyzed Text, Francis I. Andersen; A. Dean Forbes. It's tagged according to Eissfeldt's version of the Hypothesis. I hover over the text, and it tells me the source. Coloring to differentiate the sources would be much more convenient and useful.

Also, can this info be gotten from a right-click in any translation or must I be in Forbes to ascertain this?

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Denise | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Sep 15 2019 9:41 PM

Sean:

Theo:

Is there an easy way to color the texts in Logos so that one could know which passages by color fit the JEDP docunmentary hypothesis?

This is something I've been studying recently, and I'd love to see something like this. Perhaps it could be done with a visual filter? Unfortunately I don't know anything about those.

In my present studying, I use The Hebrew Bible: Andersen-Forbes Analyzed Text, Francis I. Andersen; A. Dean Forbes. It's tagged according to Eissfeldt's version of the Hypothesis. I hover over the text, and it tells me the source. Coloring to differentiate the sources would be much more convenient and useful.

It's pretty easy, when you create a visual filter.

- AFAT (the search resource)

- Bible search

- Search field: Surface

- I narrow to the Torah

- Search term: <EissfeldtHexateuch = ??> Where ?? is Y, E, P, D, or B

I put in 5 args using a colored background for each.

I use a similar one for NT MSS's (age, and Alan category)


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Denise | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Sep 15 2019 9:44 PM

Theo:
Also, can this info be gotten from a right-click in any translation or must I be in Forbes to ascertain this?

The resource has to have the search field for JEPD. Not just any OT. I think AFAT is the only one in hebrew.


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Sean | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Sep 15 2019 9:57 PM

Thanks, Denise.

Denise:

It's pretty easy, when you create a visual filter.

- AFAT (the search resource)

- Bible search

- Search field: Surface

- I narrow to the Torah

- Search term: <EissfeldtHexateuch = ??> Where ?? is Y, E, P, D, or B

I can get this far (though I think the source is J, not Y; also what is B? Eissfeldt also has the source "Lay" and perhaps 1 or 2 other minor ones.

I'm stuck after this step. I know nothing about setting up visual filters. Could you help, or point me to a good explanation?

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Rick Brannan (Faithlife) | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Sep 15 2019 10:22 PM

Theo:

Is there an easy way to color the texts in Logos so that one could know which passages by color fit the JEDP docunmentary hypothesis?

With Logos 8, we released a dataset on Source Criticism. It currently only documents Eissfeldt's theories but could be expanded with other theories in the future.

If you have the dataset, you should have access to the documentation: https://ref.ly/logosres/cidbdocsourcrit?art=art2 

Hope it helps.

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Sep 15 2019 10:28 PM

Rick Brannan (Faithlife):
but could be expanded with other theories in the future.

I know someone waiting impatiently for Mowinkel on Jeremiah (as in Andersen-Forbes) ...

Orthodox Bishop Hilarion Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Sep 15 2019 10:32 PM

Sean:
I can get this far

Then when the AFAT is open, be sure the visual filter is on (3 dots to open options).

Orthodox Bishop Hilarion Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."

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Sean | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Sep 15 2019 10:42 PM

Ah bless you MJ; you're such a help!

I'd never seen the Visual Filters document type before, so I've definitely learned something new today! This will take a while to process, but it should be very helpful.

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Sean | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Sep 16 2019 8:55 PM

I made a simple Visual Filter for AFAT that just colors the basic sources Eissfeldt identifies:

This is mostly what I want. I do have a question (although I'm pretty sure the answer is "no"): Is there any way to map this filter onto another Bible, say an English one (any version) or a different Hebrew text (say, one with an interlinear)?

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Sep 16 2019 9:30 PM

When I started with Logos the answer was yes, but now I believe all the mapping is tied to the Lexham version so the answer is no ... unless someone has found a cool trick other than switching to the dataset.

Orthodox Bishop Hilarion Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."

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