How many resources is it advisable to download?

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Reid A Ferguson | Forum Activity | Posted: Mon, Sep 16 2019 6:43 PM

Over time I have downloaded the majority of my resources to my iPad. I use my iPad extensively off line. However I heard somewhere recently that fewer is better. Is there consensus on this? And if so, is there an optimum number?

Thanks! Reid

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JT (alabama24) | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Sep 16 2019 7:24 PM

There is no number. I typically advise 100 or less. 

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Reid A Ferguson | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Sep 16 2019 7:28 PM

Thanks Bam. I have not noticed any issues, so can you tell me why the 100 number?

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Denise | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Sep 16 2019 7:46 PM

Bam will repeat his helpful warning. And 100 is an advisory, like in the weather.

But, as an example, my history database(?) is likely screwed up (another thread tonight). I'll let it continue and take my chances. But Bam would recommend re-install. And re-download. Luckily I only have 3 downloaded. But I'm stubborn. Logos is the only re-install, re-install, re-install app for Apple.

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Reid A Ferguson | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Sep 16 2019 7:53 PM

Sorry for your woes there Denise. I've used the app for several years and only had to reinstall once ever. And I have near 2K worth of resources downloaded. Now if I DID have to do a reinstall, I would lower the number just because I'm lazy and due to the time involved. 😜

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John Kaess | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Sep 16 2019 8:45 PM

I'm speaking only for myself. The newest iterations of the Mobile App seem to be more stable than those of a few years ago.

I have over 5,000 resources in Logos. I'm currently using a 3rd generation iPad Pro 12.9" with 256 gigs of RAM. Since getting this iPad and using Logos 8 Mobile App, i have not experienced an issues related to having all of my resources downloaded on my iPad. I'm still frustrated by glaring weaknesses in the Mobile App regarding highlighting, notes, etc which do not function on the Mobile App the way they do on the desktop, but that's a lack of consistency in the program features, and has nothing to do with number resources downloaded. Logos has a design philosophy built around trying to make the mobile app less dependent on the internet than the desktop is, and this results in shortcomings.

Others will disagree, but given the current hardware platform of the 3rd generation iPad Pro, it's fully capable of functioning on a level with the desktop program, and in fact, the 3rd gen iPad Pro is much more powerful than many laptops. 

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JT (alabama24) | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Sep 17 2019 4:34 AM

Reid A Ferguson:
so can you tell me why the 100 number?

Sure. Several things.

1. The mobile app is not designed to have all resources in one's library downloaded. Many features are "online" only. So, for example, it doesn't matter if you have ALL of your resources downloaded, a library search is still happening online. So there isn't a need (in that sense) to have all of them downloaded. I say this just so that users understand they aren't missing out on anything (except for those resources) when they are offline. 

2. 100 resources should be enough to make a reasonable small library, where you know all of the books, and you can do some basic things. No internet? Well, you can look at a couple study bibles & one volume commentaries on a passage. You have a couple dictionaries. You have not only the book you are currently reading through "cover to cover," you also have the NEXT book you plan to read.

3. The BEST fix for many many issues is a reinstall. That is absolutely no big deal when the user doesn't have any books downloaded. It can actually be somewhat significant with 100 books downloaded... especially if you have some of the bigger study bibles (i.e. ESVSB). However, it is nothing like trying to redownload 5000.

4. Not only is redownloading 5000 books a hastle, but having that many books causes corruption issues. Resources aren't always able to find and install the updates for a book (which can be a problem for 100 books, but less so and easier to manage at that number).

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Bobby Terhune | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Sep 17 2019 5:10 AM

I also have an iPad Pro, but mine is a second generation with 512gb storage. I have 2800 resources downloaded and have not had to reinstall since I first loaded it a little over two years ago. I have had up to over 40 tabs open with different study books with no performance problems.

Maybe the greater Ram and storage of the iPad Pro handles things better? Whatever I've been very happy with Logos Mobile on the iPad.

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Denise | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Sep 17 2019 5:55 AM

It's never been the hardware.

I run a mini-1 and it happily handles multigig apps considerable larger than a good size Logos library. And apps with far larger database management. And apps with almost as many books. The issue is (1) the comfort level with bugs at each update, and (2) the server communication/coordination (both unique to FL).

I mean, after 7(?) years, they still have trouble delivering a purchase. Olive Tree, Accordance and Kindle figured that out right at the start. Ergo my fond regards for the refund people.

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Reid A Ferguson | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Sep 17 2019 7:25 AM

Thanks as always Bam. 

Regards: Reid

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