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Brent Hoefling | Forum Activity | Posted: Mon, Sep 23 2019 8:34 AM

I apologize if this has been asked previously, I couldn't find it when I searched.

I have installed the Hebrew keyboard program and can switch to it in Logos (Win10, latest version/updates).

What I am looking for is not a picture of the layout, but rather I am looking for physical stickers that I can apply to my keyboard.  Anyone know of such a thing?

I have seen USB bilingual keyboards. and would actually prefer that, but I believe the logos mapping is different than a bilingual Eng/Heb keyboard. (at least it appears that way in the ones I have seen)

suggestions? assistance?

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Richard Villanueva | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Sep 23 2019 9:05 AM

Brent Hoefling:
What I am looking for is not a picture of the layout, but rather I am looking for physical stickers that I can apply to my keyboard.  Anyone know of such a thing?

Me too! I'd be interested in this as well! I've been working greek with just the small digital keyboard that appears on my laptop screen and have been trying to commit it to memory. Hebrew is coming up soon and I would love some kind of physical stickers/keyboard assistance (preferably for both languages!)

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PetahChristian | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Sep 23 2019 9:23 AM

An alternative to stickers is installing a different keyboard layout, often referred to as Hebrew QWERTY.

Aleph is mapped to the A key, Bet to the B key, Gimel to the G key, and so on. The vowels are mapped to the numeric keys.

I've never installed the Logos Hebrew keyboard. I've always used one supported by Windows or macOS.

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Brent Hoefling | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Sep 23 2019 9:28 AM

the logos keyboard is phonetic (mostly).  That's why there are no real keyboards with it set up like that, that I am aware of and asking. The Bibleworks font is set up the same way - phonetically, but just a little different thank Logos. 

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Brent Hoefling | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Sep 23 2019 10:19 AM

Example, the regular Hebrew Keyboard layout ("international keyboard") has the sin/shin on the letter A. with Logos layout, the Letter A is Aleph.

I saw this at amazon:
https://www.amazon.com/KEYBOARD-STICKERS-LETTERING-TRANSPARENT-BACKGROUND/dp/B002FL1DZI/

and could use most of these, but out them on the appropriate Logos-mapped keys, but the Shift-Key, and vowels, etc. are not there at all. :(

I also found blanks:
https://www.amazon.com/Blank-keyboard-stickers-transparent-background/dp/B002VI18IM/

may have to use these... hoping for some better options where I don't have to write them all in my handwriting on each key...

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PetahChristian | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Sep 23 2019 10:42 AM

Brent Hoefling:
The Bibleworks font is set up the same way - phonetically, but just a little different thank Logos.

One advantage of using an OS-supplied keyboard mapping is that you don't have to deal with slight differences between each Bible study program.

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Brent Hoefling | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Sep 23 2019 11:14 AM

PetahChristian:

Brent Hoefling:
The Bibleworks font is set up the same way - phonetically, but just a little different thank Logos.

One advantage of using an OS-supplied keyboard mapping is that you don't have to deal with slight differences between each Bible study program.

perhaps. but then why does Logs provide a phonetic layout?

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PetahChristian | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Sep 23 2019 11:50 AM

Brent Hoefling:
perhaps. but then why does Logs provide a phonetic layout?

I don’t know the timeline, but if I had to guess, they might have developed it before there was OS support for one.

Sometimes it’s difficult to get companies to agree to or adopt a particular standard, especially when they prefer that their implementation gets adopted by other vendors.

Unfortunately, end-users have to settle with a Logos layout that’s likely consistent between platforms, or an OS layout that’s consistent between applications. No best of both worlds.

Anyway, try it without stickers for a bit. In my experience (learning Hebrew via Duolingo), it won’t take long to get accustomed to typing in Hebrew. You may find that you don’t need them after all.

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Jack Hairston | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Sep 25 2019 9:45 AM

Brent Hoefling:

What I am looking for is not a picture of the layout, but rather I am looking for physical stickers that I can apply to my keyboard.  Anyone know of such a thing?

Since reading your post, I ran across this:

https://hebrew4christians.com/Online_Store/Other/Keyboard/keyboard.html 

Ten bucks. Sounds reasonable to me.

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Brent Hoefling | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Sep 25 2019 11:14 AM

Jack Hairston:

Brent Hoefling:

What I am looking for is not a picture of the layout, but rather I am looking for physical stickers that I can apply to my keyboard.  Anyone know of such a thing?

Since reading your post, I ran across this:

https://hebrew4christians.com/Online_Store/Other/Keyboard/keyboard.html 

Ten bucks. Sounds reasonable to me.

I have found these for as little as $3 on Amazon.  the problem is that these are bilingual. they have English AND Hebrew and are "mapped"/laid out according to the "international" standard.  This is NOT how the Logos keyboard map tool is mapped.

For example, the stickers and Hebrew keyboards that are found everywhere have the sin/shin on letter A. the Logos Phonetic layout has it on the S-key. (Qof on the Q, etc.)

The logos keyboard map is phonetic:

(unshifted)

(shifted)

The letters don't match.  what is needed for using the Logos keyboard is stickers that do NOT have the English on them too.  I have found some of those as well on Amazon.

None have all the vowels that the Logos keyboard has, so I also got some blank stickers to make my own.

AND I went ahead and ordered a 48-key "one hand" keyboard (each key is fully programmable) since I can't find what I want/need, I will make my own. :)

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