KYLE: missing link in The Teachings of the Church Fathers

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Posted: Sun, Oct 13 2019 4:34 PM

Willis, John R., ed. The Teachings of the Church Fathers. San Francisco: Ignatius Press, 2002.

This rule we shall observe if we follow universality, antiquity, consent. We shall follow universality if we confess that one faith to be true, which the whole Church throughout the world confesses; antiquity, if we in no wise depart from those interpretations which it is manifest were notoriously held by our holy ancestors and fathers; consent, in like manner, if in antiquity itself we adhere to the consentient definitions and determinations of all, or at the least of almost all priests and doctors.

COMMONITORY, Chap. 2
ML 50, 639
NPNF XI, 132


John R. Willis, ed., The Teachings of the Church Fathers (San Francisco: Ignatius Press, 2002), 95.

COMMONITORY, Chap. 2 is appropriately linked with my priorities it brings up The Fathers of the Church edition

ML 50, 639 has only a bibliographic popup as the Latin Migne is not in Logos

NPNF XI, 132 has only a bibliographic popup despite the reference being present in Logos for nearly a zillion years.  Why is this link not made?

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Kyle G. Anderson | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Oct 14 2019 8:31 AM

MJ. Smith:

Willis, John R., ed. The Teachings of the Church Fathers. San Francisco: Ignatius Press, 2002.

This rule we shall observe if we follow universality, antiquity, consent. We shall follow universality if we confess that one faith to be true, which the whole Church throughout the world confesses; antiquity, if we in no wise depart from those interpretations which it is manifest were notoriously held by our holy ancestors and fathers; consent, in like manner, if in antiquity itself we adhere to the consentient definitions and determinations of all, or at the least of almost all priests and doctors.

COMMONITORY, Chap. 2
ML 50, 639
NPNF XI, 132


John R. Willis, ed., The Teachings of the Church Fathers (San Francisco: Ignatius Press, 2002), 95.

COMMONITORY, Chap. 2 is appropriately linked with my priorities it brings up The Fathers of the Church edition

ML 50, 639 has only a bibliographic popup as the Latin Migne is not in Logos

NPNF XI, 132 has only a bibliographic popup despite the reference being present in Logos for nearly a zillion years.  Why is this link not made?

Because of a decision that we made a long time ago that I really don't like but don't have a work around at the moment (long term I do have two strategies): we created two versions of of NPNF and ANF. There is the protestant version and the Catholic edition which, I believe, is an updated version that includes additional front matter. We can only tag to one and my hunch is that you have the Catholic edition.

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NB.Mick | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Oct 14 2019 10:34 AM

I own both editions and can confirm the link to NPNF XI, 132 works and opens the protestant edition to page 132.

Kyle G. Anderson:
we created two versions of of NPNF and ANF. There is the protestant version and the Catholic edition which, I believe, is an updated version that includes additional front matter. We can only tag to one and my hunch is that you have the Catholic edition.

My understanding so far was that the editors of those works put some language into their front matter and prefaces which Faithlife decided was offensive to RCC users, so the CE is the same as the protestant edition minus the front matter stuff. I don't think I ever heard there was additional text produced and included into the CE edition.  

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SineNomine | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Oct 14 2019 10:43 AM

NB.Mick:

Kyle G. Anderson:
we created two versions of of NPNF and ANF. There is the protestant version and the Catholic edition which, I believe, is an updated version that includes additional front matter. We can only tag to one and my hunch is that you have the Catholic edition.

My understanding so far was that the editors of those works put some language into their front matter and prefaces which Faithlife decided was offensive to RCC users, so the CE is the same as the protestant edition minus the front matter stuff. I don't think I ever heard there was additional text produced and included into the CE edition.  

NB.Mick is correct that the Catholic Edition is lacking original printed content extraneous to the translations themselves because FL was concerned about anti-Catholic editorial content. Nothing was added to the Catholic Edition to replace it (nor would I, as a Catholic, see any reason to add any such now).

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Oct 14 2019 2:20 PM

Kyle G. Anderson:
We can only tag to one and my hunch is that you have the Catholic edition.

A logical assumption but I actually have both. And I am willing in the short term to accept the unusual nature of these resources as the reason the link is missing ... not ideal but it is what it is.

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