Thoughts on Logos 9 Arrival?

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Jerry Bush | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Oct 16 2020 5:36 AM

Put a big "9" on your calendar on October 26th.

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Bruce Roth | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Oct 16 2020 8:58 AM

Just as Apple had to delay the roll out of the iPhone 12, maybe FL has a "supply chain" issue.  Or maybe they want to wait till after the US election,  Maybe skip the version 9 release and go right to 10. Maybe a new name like "Logos X".

For myself I can't imagine that there is some have to have feature in the next release.  I would be probably be looking for packages that might have deals on resources I think I must have.  It's like I am still happy on my iPhone 7+ and resisted the need to upgrade my phone so far.

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Denise | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Oct 16 2020 9:18 AM

Bruce Roth:
For myself I can't imagine that there is some have to have feature in the next release.

I can imagine, but also be unrealistic. There's 3 features that would outshine everything from L6-8 (warmly regarded as the 'sleepy years'):

1. A good search UI. That alone, would 'change Logos' (also Verbum, but a different UI strategy)

2. User material. Christian-land is a teaching world. PBs (easily sharable, mobiles) and PDFs integrated.

3. Phrase/style searching (and not just the Bibles)

Ok, back to L9.

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Lynden Williams | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Oct 16 2020 9:52 AM

Use the example of the Babylonians. Put three drops of oil in water look at the pattern that it creates and that will give you the date.

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Mike Binks | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Oct 16 2020 10:55 AM

Lynden Williams:

Use the example of the Babylonians. Put three drops of oil in water look at the pattern that it creates and that will give you the date.

Sorry Lynden but the latest research suggests that what it will give you is a pattern. Unfortunately the pattern will not load on your computer or tablet.

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Lynden Williams | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Oct 16 2020 11:43 AM

Not trying to get it on the computer just want the date of release

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David Wanat | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Oct 16 2020 12:55 PM

Now to wait and see if Dt. 18:22 applies? 😉

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Thomas Luke | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Oct 22 2020 6:22 AM

Good question Brian, I don't know. I would like to say that Logos 8 was a simpler navigational and visual design.  The problem with Logos is that you need to hire and IT guy in order to operate the software.  I purchased the Portfolio Package when I started seminary 6 years ago.  I now have over 3,000 resources at my finger tips. My most recent purchase was the NIV Application Commentary by Zondervan.  It is my prayer that Logos 9 become user friendlier than Logos 8 in Jesus name, Amen. I have friends who purchased basic Logos packages and never used the software, including a pastor who is technically savvy. 

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Armin | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Oct 22 2020 10:00 AM

Thomas Luke:

It is my prayer that Logos 9 become user friendlier than Logos 8 in Jesus name, Amen. I have friends who purchased basic Logos packages and never used the software, including a pastor who is technically savvy.  

I wholeheartedly agree. The lack of usability is my major problem with Logos, even though I consider myself as technically minded.

I purchased Logos base packages as gifts for three friends whom I thought would enjoy Logos. Unfortunately, none of them uses it. I wished I would have spent this money expanding my own library.

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abondservant | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Oct 22 2020 11:29 AM

Armin:

Thomas Luke:

It is my prayer that Logos 9 become user friendlier than Logos 8 in Jesus name, Amen. I have friends who purchased basic Logos packages and never used the software, including a pastor who is technically savvy.  

I wholeheartedly agree. The lack of usability is my major problem with Logos, even though I consider myself as technically minded.

I purchased Logos base packages as gifts for three friends whom I thought would enjoy Logos. Unfortunately, none of them uses it. I wished I would have spent this money expanding my own library.



Might sign them up for some morris proctor training. 

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Larry Craig | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Oct 22 2020 3:21 PM

I don't think they're promoting it.  I think they just want Logos to do what the other guys do.  If I were in a competition, and Logos is, then I would want to know what the other guys are doing.  I'm sure these are all good Logos users here.

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Oct 22 2020 3:47 PM

Thomas Luke:
I would like to say that Logos 8 was a simpler navigational and visual design.  The problem with Logos is that you need to hire and IT guy in order to operate the software. 

I would like to say that I use Logos/Verbum and have NEVER been tempted to hire an IT guy (perhaps, because I'm female with a lifetime career in IT?) Wink But more seriously, while it has been in a number of small steps, Faithlife has been making changes to simplify the use, changes that should eventually come together for a much simpler experience:

  • Bible browser to make many searches with special syntax unnecessary
  • reorganization of the Context Menu to make its structure more obvious
  • tagging of systematic theology and Biblical theology so the monographs are more easily found
  • subdividing the library into many more types so it is easier to find books
  • Bibliographic sections such as Ancient Literature and Catholic Topical Index to search materials for you
  • Workflows to guide you to the appropriate sections of Guides
  • Dividing Guides into their individual section so you can target what you are searching for rather than running full Guides
  • Factbook as a survey of resources to help you choose what you need to read

Yes, none of these is a complete solution but it does indicate that Faithlife is trying to move in the right direction.

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David Taylor Jr | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Oct 22 2020 4:26 PM

MJ. Smith:

Thomas Luke:
I would like to say that Logos 8 was a simpler navigational and visual design.  The problem with Logos is that you need to hire and IT guy in order to operate the software. 

I would like to say that I use Logos/Verbum and have NEVER been tempted to hire an IT guy (perhaps, because I'm female with a lifetime career in IT?) Wink But more seriously, while it has been in a number of small steps, Faithlife has been making changes to simplify the use, changes that should eventually come together for a much simpler experience:

  • Bible browser to make many searches with special syntax unnecessary
  • reorganization of the Context Menu to make its structure more obvious
  • tagging of systematic theology and Biblical theology so the monographs are more easily found
  • subdividing the library into many more types so it is easier to find books
  • Bibliographic sections such as Ancient Literature and Catholic Topical Index to search materials for you
  • Workflows to guide you to the appropriate sections of Guides
  • Dividing Guides into their individual section so you can target what you are searching for rather than running full Guides
  • Factbook as a survey of resources to help you choose what you need to read

Yes, none of these is a complete solution but it does indicate that Faithlife is trying to move in the right direction.

Couldn't agree more. In fact, if you see where we have come from during the Logos 4 days and now? It is night and day different!

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DIsciple II | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Oct 22 2020 4:35 PM

MJ. Smith:

Thomas Luke:
I would like to say that Logos 8 was a simpler navigational and visual design.  The problem with Logos is that you need to hire and IT guy in order to operate the software. 

I would like to say that I use Logos/Verbum and have NEVER been tempted to hire an IT guy (perhaps, because I'm female with a lifetime career in IT?) Wink But more seriously, while it has been in a number of small steps, Faithlife has been making changes to simplify the use, changes that should eventually come together for a much simpler experience:

  • Bible browser to make many searches with special syntax unnecessary
  • reorganization of the Context Menu to make its structure more obvious
  • tagging of systematic theology and Biblical theology so the monographs are more easily found
  • subdividing the library into many more types so it is easier to find books
  • Bibliographic sections such as Ancient Literature and Catholic Topical Index to search materials for you
  • Workflows to guide you to the appropriate sections of Guides
  • Dividing Guides into their individual section so you can target what you are searching for rather than running full Guides
  • Factbook as a survey of resources to help you choose what you need to read

Yes, none of these is a complete solution but it does indicate that Faithlife is trying to move in the right direction.

i agree with you MJ FL has made some good inroads in these aspects.

While i too admit the majority of my career has been IT focused while not always working in a direct IT role it has always utilized the IT skills i gaine in one of my degrees I've completed, I think an IT guy would be no better at making sense of Logos Bible Software than any other person for the majority of day to day activities one undertakes with the software.  A lot of people who drive cars are not great at what happens under the hood but are ca[able drivers.  The same can apply to software, you dont' need to know how the technology behind it works, you just need to know how to drive it. The only area, depedining upon their IT specialization they might be of use is if advanced searching but they'd also need to understand original languages with some of the advanced searching you can do.

I think at the moment because all of the great effort in making it more useable is there is just too many roads down which one can drive the software and the challenge is knowing what the software offers and how to access it.  For those that need a map to drive the software workflows are a great starting point but possibly won't help with every question or task a users wants to complete.

For me personally I rely less on workflows and go directly to guides as I need but we are all different and so I respect Thomas view that his experience of the software at this point in time is that it is not as simple to navigate or drive as others of us might find it.

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David Taylor Jr | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Oct 22 2020 6:04 PM

DIsciple II:
I think at the moment because all of the great effort in making it more useable is there is just too many roads down which one can drive the software and the challenge is knowing what the software offers and how to access it. 

I agree this is probably the largest "pain point."

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SineNomine | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Oct 22 2020 7:49 PM

DIsciple II:
I think at the moment because all of the great effort in making it more useable is there is just too many roads down which one can drive the software and the challenge is knowing what the software offers and how to access it.  For those that need a map to drive the software workflows are a great starting point but possibly won't help with every question or task a users wants to complete.

Conversely, one of the best things about the software---not intrinsic to it, but caused by it--is that anyone who wants to do anything with it or find out if it can do something or what it can do with something can post a new thread in these forums and find out really quickly, for free, from fellow users (and sometimes the software's designers).

These forums provide the best software help documentation I've ever even heard of.

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Lynden Williams | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Oct 23 2020 7:58 AM

I have found that the best way is to sometimes jump in and start poking around. Of course you could look at Logos excellent training videos. https://support.logos.com/hc/en-us 

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abondservant | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Oct 23 2020 11:57 AM

DIsciple II:

I think at the moment because all of the great effort in making it more useable is there is just too many roads down which one can drive the software and the challenge is knowing what the software offers and how to access it.  For those that need a map to drive the software workflows are a great starting point but possibly won't help with every question or task a users wants to complete.

For me personally I rely less on workflows and go directly to guides as I need but we are all different and so I respect Thomas view that his experience of the software at this point in time is that it is not as simple to navigate or drive as others of us might find it.



Thankful to have been out of the IT world, and instead pastoring for nearly a decade by this point.

The plethora of roads is in my mind a blessing. Other than building a works cited page with dirty meta data, I've never come to a point where I have wanted Logos to do something it couldn't with 8. Even so I think the meta data is much better now than its been in the past.

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DIsciple II | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Oct 23 2020 3:00 PM

Agree with you but it might take time for a new user to arrive here and have the Dutch courage to post a question.  Most of us commenting are medium to long time users of the software and many posts veterans. I try to think like some one that is brand new, maybe coming from a different product or even brand new to using bible software. 

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DIsciple II:
I think at the moment because all of the great effort in making it more useable is there is just too many roads down which one can drive the software and the challenge is knowing what the software offers and how to access it.  For those that need a map to drive the software workflows are a great starting point but possibly won't help with every question or task a users wants to complete.

Conversely, one of the best things about the software---not intrinsic to it, but caused by it--is that anyone who wants to do anything with it or find out if it can do something or what it can do with something can post a new thread in these forums and find out really quickly, for free, from fellow users (and sometimes the software's designers).

These forums provide the best software help documentation I've ever even heard of.

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DIsciple II | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Oct 23 2020 3:03 PM

Lynden Williams:

I have found that the best way is to sometimes jump in and start poking around. Of course you could look at Logos excellent training videos. https://support.logos.com/hc/en-us 

Agree with you but it might take time for a new user to find the right training or have the Dutch courage to poke around the software. Most of us commenting are medium to long time users of the software and poking around has become second nature. I try to think like some one that is brand new, maybe coming from a different product or even brand new to using bible software. 

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