Simple task that I seem to be failing at

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Posted: Thu, Oct 24 2019 2:33 AM
  1. find all occurrences of the word "ni" - no other word forms; even with matching case I can't get rid of NIV's
  2. identify the language of each occurrence of "ni" - I expect Gothic, Latin, Spanish . . . 

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Even with "Match all word forms" turned on, I don't get hits for "NIV" when searching for "ni".

Are you searching in resources (Basic Search) or filtering the Library (or building a collection)?

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Oct 24 2019 10:35 AM

I wish my software was as well trained as yours ... I'm on beta 3 ... same results with and without quotation marks.

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Graham Criddle | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Oct 24 2019 11:13 AM

I get the same results as MJ on 8.8 SR1

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Dave Hooton | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Oct 24 2019 3:25 PM

MJ. Smith:
I wish my software was as well trained as yours ... I'm on beta 3 ... same results with and without quotation marks.

I get the same result as Bradley in 8.8 SR-1, irrespective of Search engine (via Set Use New Search Engine).

With no Search options checked:-

  • ni BEFORE niv shows that they are treated as different words.
  • niv BEFORE niv's shows that they are (correctly) treated as different words
  • I don't get any results for ni AND NIV's - showing they are different words

Do you get a result for NIV's in 1 and 2 Thessalonians UBCS?

In AYBD, do you get a result for ni in the Malta article (where it has NIV's)?

My guess is bad indexing of the Thessalonians UBCS

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NB.Mick | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Oct 24 2019 4:05 PM

Dave Hooton:
My guess is bad indexing of the Thessalonians UBCS

I get hits for NIV in many (probably all) UBCS copmmentaries. In fact an all text all resources search for NI with no search options checked gets me 37900 results in 1163 resources - lots of latin, some Assyryian but also the NIV.

Even ni ANDNOT NIV as well as "ni" ANDNOT "NIV’s" gets NIV hits in some UBCS commentaries, like Thessalonians, Pastorals and 1 Cor 

EDIT: what might cause this error is that NIV's in the UCSB commentaries is not normal text, but a (imho superfluous) link that explains the abbreviation NIV as New International Version - this possibly confuses the algorithm.

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Oct 24 2019 4:55 PM

I reran the command to set to the new search engine - it shouldn't change anything but ...and turned off the options. Note that only the ni of niv is highlighted:

Some oddities are explainable such as the division into syllable resulting in false positives. But I don't see a pattern in the monographs and commentaries where the NIV appears to be the selected element.

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Dave Hooton | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Oct 24 2019 7:01 PM

MJ. Smith:
Note that only the ni of niv is highlighted:

Is that the only result in that article (Warning's against idleness). There should be two words, one for ni and one for niv. If that 'word' NIV's is the only result, then it confirms that the tagging is incorrect (do you get a popup on hover?).

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Rosie Perera | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Oct 24 2019 10:09 PM

MJ. Smith:
find all occurrences of the word "ni"

Here are several of them:

The Knights Who Say "Ni!" - Monty Python and the Holy Grail

Sorry, couldn't help myself.

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Oct 24 2019 11:29 PM

Yes

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Thinking | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Oct 25 2019 2:12 PM

Could it be a Mac vs Windows issue?

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Oct 25 2019 3:46 PM

Dave Hooton:
Is that the only result in that article (Warning's against idleness). There should be two words, one for ni and one for niv. If that 'word' NIV's is the only result, then it confirms that the tagging is incorrect (do you get a popup on hover?).

These two are the only hits in the book. Note both are NIV in print but are ni &niv in highlight. Both give me the same pop-up of New International Version.

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Philana R. Crouch | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Oct 28 2019 10:49 AM

MJ. Smith:

  1. find all occurrences of the word "ni" - no other word forms; even with matching case I can't get rid of NIV's
  2. identify the language of each occurrence of "ni" - I expect Gothic, Latin, Spanish . . . 

I've created a case to investigate this.

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Mark Barnes | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Oct 28 2019 2:26 PM

I get this result in the EEC commentary on 1&2 Samuel. There it's caused by the word 'NIV84', while the word 'NIV' behaves appropriately.

All the errors I've seen do seem to be related to the hovertext (i.e. I've not yet seen an error that doesn't have hovertext).

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