Question About HD OT/NT and Discourse Greek/Hebrew

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Nathan Parker | Forum Activity | Posted: Sun, Dec 22 2019 4:06 PM

I have access to Logos through Faithlife Connect (I'm one of the Logos Now customers that was moved to Faithlife Connect Essentials-No Resources).

It seems I have the Lexham Discourse Hebrew and Greek Datasets.

Therefore, do I need any of these resources, or do I already have the functionality inside Logos? I'm slightly confused.

Thanks!

Discourse Hebrew Bible: https://www.logos.com/product/27498/the-lexham-discourse-hebrew-bible

Discourse Greek NT: https://www.logos.com/product/180785/the-lexham-discourse-greek-new-testament

HD OT: https://www.logos.com/product/27501/the-lexham-high-definition-old-testament-esv-edition

HD NT: https://www.logos.com/product/27265/the-lexham-high-definition-new-testament-esv-edition

Glossaries/introductions to HD resources:

https://www.logos.com/product/27502/the-lexham-high-definition-old-testament-glossary

https://www.logos.com/product/27503/the-lexham-high-definition-old-testament-introduction

https://www.logos.com/product/27267/the-lexham-high-definition-new-testament-introduction

Nathan Parker

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Mattillo | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Dec 23 2019 7:47 AM

I"ve always found this discourse stuff very confusing.  I have some of these resources like the Discourse set (https://www.logos.com/product/81254/lexham-discourse-bible) but the HD OT/NT and some of the others mentioned I don't.

Do these resources do duplicate things? Different Things?  I can usually just turn on a filter of sentence diagrams or discourse analysis and that is great but what these others do I have no clue.

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Denise | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Dec 23 2019 8:43 AM

The hebrew/greek, and high-definitions are simply the earlier datasets (rolled out separately) 'permenently' attached to the OL's, and the ESV (OT/NT). The present discourse dataset is much more flexible, attachable to any OL or Bible that supports interlinear (tagged).

The documentation is what came with the earlier discourse/ESV's. I assume the newer dataset documentation is an update to the older 'high-definition'.

"I didn't know God made honky tonk angels."

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Denise | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Dec 23 2019 8:51 AM

Mattillo:
I"ve always found this discourse stuff very confusing. 

Regarding 'discourse', in-theory, it accounts for how sentences are constructed, to alter meaning. Morphs are a more basic level that often don't catch a subtle alteration. And the technique is language specific. For example, some semitic languages don't care too much for word ordering, while others, there's significance.

The century-old Emphasis Bible was an early display of this, and still provides a nice display (though it seems to take a few more liberties).

"I didn't know God made honky tonk angels."

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Mattillo | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Dec 23 2019 9:48 AM

Denise:

The hebrew/greek, and high-definitions are simply the earlier datasets (rolled out separately) 'permenently' attached to the OL's, and the ESV (OT/NT). The present discourse dataset is much more flexible, attachable to any OL or Bible that supports interlinear (tagged).

The documentation is what came with the earlier discourse/ESV's. I assume the newer dataset documentation is an update to the older 'high-definition'.

Thank you

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Nathan Parker | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Dec 23 2019 11:54 AM

Denise:

The hebrew/greek, and high-definitions are simply the earlier datasets (rolled out separately) 'permenently' attached to the OL's, and the ESV (OT/NT). The present discourse dataset is much more flexible, attachable to any OL or Bible that supports interlinear (tagged).

The documentation is what came with the earlier discourse/ESV's. I assume the newer dataset documentation is an update to the older 'high-definition'.

Sounds great. Since I have access to the new Discouse Datasets in Faithlife Connect, then I'm set with having access to everything in the old datasets and a whole lot more, correct?

Nathan Parker

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Nathan Parker | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Dec 23 2019 11:55 AM

Denise:

Mattillo:
I"ve always found this discourse stuff very confusing. 

Regarding 'discourse', in-theory, it accounts for how sentences are constructed, to alter meaning. Morphs are a more basic level that often don't catch a subtle alteration. And the technique is language specific. For example, some semitic languages don't care too much for word ordering, while others, there's significance.

The century-old Emphasis Bible was an early display of this, and still provides a nice display (though it seems to take a few more liberties).

Good summary of Discourse. I read Runge's NT DIscourse Grammar, and it did help me learn how to use these tools better.

Nathan Parker

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