2020 revision of CSB text

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Paul Caneparo | Forum Activity | Posted: Wed, Feb 5 2020 11:02 AM

Can anyone from Faithlife comment on whether these changes will be deemed as an update to the existing purchase or whether they'll be deemed as a new book?

Lifeway state the following and given they call it a revision to the text, I'm hoping existing CSB purchases will be updated.

The CSB translation committee has made several improvements to the 2017 edition of the CSB. The adjustments are neither radical nor extensive because we are happy with the work that was carried out beforehand. Further, we do not intend to regularly update the text with minor revisions such as this.

Still, good translation procedure requires any translation committee to be open to make changes as necessary. Many readers have pointed out places where an adjustment would help with consistency in grammar, style, and punctuation, and so we have tweaked certain passages. 


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Daniel Motley (Faithlife) | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Feb 5 2020 12:54 PM

Paul Caneparo:

Can anyone from Faithlife comment on whether these changes will be deemed as an update to the existing purchase or whether they'll be deemed as a new book?

Lifeway state the following and given they call it a revision to the text, I'm hoping existing CSB purchases will be updated.

Hi Paul,

Existing CSB purchases will be updated at no additional charge.

Have a nice day!

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Paul Caneparo | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Feb 5 2020 1:22 PM

Daniel Motley (Faithlife):

Paul Caneparo:

Can anyone from Faithlife comment on whether these changes will be deemed as an update to the existing purchase or whether they'll be deemed as a new book?

Lifeway state the following and given they call it a revision to the text, I'm hoping existing CSB purchases will be updated.

Hi Paul,

Existing CSB purchases will be updated at no additional charge.

Have a nice day!

Great news! Thanks.

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David Ames | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Feb 5 2020 6:17 PM

Daniel Motley (Faithlife):

Existing CSB purchases will be updated at no additional charge.

Does that mean that we will only have one resource that just gets "updated"?.

if so means that we can not review the changes to the text

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Leo Wee Fah | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Feb 5 2020 6:23 PM

I guess it will be something like the NLT, with additional copy-right dates :

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Aaron Sauer | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Feb 5 2020 9:38 PM

David Ames:

Daniel Motley (Faithlife):

Existing CSB purchases will be updated at no additional charge.

Does that mean that we will only have one resource that just gets "updated"?.

if so means that we can not review the changes to the text

Changes are noted here

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David Ames | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Feb 6 2020 5:23 AM

That is not a complete list as these statements are in the list:

"We also made a number of adjustments in the Old Testament, and here are some of the most notable."

"The following passages might be noticed by the discerning reader:"

"We list some examples below." 

One of the changes made is:

• Changed “idols” to “worthless idols” to more accurately convey the meaning of the Hebrew word ’aliyl (e.g., Is 2:8,18,20; about 15x).

That may "more accurately convey the meaning of the Hebrew word" but in English that may imply that there are some worthwhile idols. [the current reading condemns all idols]  

[[Having reviewed the list they seem to be mostly reasonable changes.]]

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JT (alabama24) | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Feb 6 2020 5:45 AM

David Ames:
Does that mean that we will only have one resource that just gets "updated"?.

Yes.

David Ames:
if so means that we can not review the changes to the text

Correct. 

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Mattillo | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Feb 6 2020 6:04 AM

Do I hear a new NET Bible? ... no?  Sad

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Daniel Motley (Faithlife) | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Feb 6 2020 1:25 PM

JT (alabama24):

David Ames:
Does that mean that we will only have one resource that just gets "updated"?.

Yes.

David Ames:
if so means that we can not review the changes to the text

Correct. 

Just officially confirming that JT is correct.

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David Taylor Jr | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Feb 6 2020 1:49 PM

Daniel Motley (Faithlife):

JT (alabama24):

David Ames:
Does that mean that we will only have one resource that just gets "updated"?.

Yes.

David Ames:
if so means that we can not review the changes to the text

Correct. 

Just officially confirming that JT is correct.

ESV is the same way, but there is a WONDERFUL note file that highlights the differences. Can't remember off hand who made it but they are a saint!

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Cheryl Sexton | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Feb 8 2020 8:39 AM

Does anyone know when these changes will be released by LifeWay? By Logos?

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JT (alabama24) | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Feb 8 2020 2:41 PM

Cheryl Sexton:

Does anyone know when these changes will be released by LifeWay? By Logos?

FL rarely gives timelines on these sort of things. I <think> the changes are official now, but will obviously take time to be pushed to print and web. As for timing with Logos: At some point the publisher will give the updated files to FL. They will then have to make the necessary changes to the resource files. I would assume that the updates will occur this year, but perhaps not. 

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Cheryl Sexton | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Feb 8 2020 2:53 PM

JT (alabama24):

I would assume that the updates will occur this year, but perhaps not. 

Oh, dear. I hope it wouldn't take longer than a couple or few weeks. I know FL has a lot of stuff to be doing, but these are minor revisions to a major translation. (And these are officially published, as far as I can tell. The CSB online version has already been updated accordingly.) Taking that long to incorporate these revisions would really make having the module in Logos somewhat pointless. One of the blessings on electronic Bible software is the ability to receive updates faster than, or even before than, print editions.

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David Taylor Jr | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Feb 8 2020 3:01 PM

Cheryl Sexton:

JT (alabama24):

I would assume that the updates will occur this year, but perhaps not. 

Oh, dear. I hope it wouldn't take longer than a couple or few weeks. I know FL has a lot of stuff to be doing, but these are minor revisions to a major translation. (And these are officially published, as far as I can tell. The CSB online version has already been updated accordingly.) Taking that long to incorporate these revisions would really make having the module in Logos somewhat pointless. One of the blessings on electronic Bible software is the ability to receive updates faster than, or even before than, print editions.

It's not just as simple as making textual changes. They also make sure it is aligned with the reverse interlinear, change any appropriate taggings, etc. It can actually be a big project.

And I doubt most people are rushing out to change their print versions so I would hardly say it makes the module pointless. :)

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Cheryl Sexton | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Mar 2 2020 6:01 AM

Any word or update on this? I noticed that Accordance has already updated their CSB module. Just curious. Big Smile

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JT (alabama24) | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Mar 2 2020 8:08 AM

As I mentioned before, FL rarely comments on these questions. I concur with David: It isn't as simple as you might think. If the goal was simply to update the text, they could push out a copy without the added features (i.e. RI's)... but that would not make people happy. 

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Aaron Sauer | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Mar 2 2020 9:52 AM

Accordance announced last week that they have updated the CSB to the 2020 version


https://twitter.com/AccordanceBible/status/1233069963075825666

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Daniel Motley (Faithlife) | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Mar 2 2020 2:51 PM

Hi all,

Just want to pop in and let you know that we're looking at a late April release of the revised text.

We're definitely working on it!

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Bruce Dunning | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Mar 2 2020 3:46 PM

Daniel Motley (Faithlife):

Just want to pop in and let you know that we're looking at a late April release of the revised text.

We're definitely working on it!

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