The Source New Testament

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Charlene | Forum Activity | Posted: Mon, Feb 17 2020 7:29 PM

I am not at all familiar with this. Can anyone give me some information about this book? Or direct me to any reviews?

Thanks!

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Charlene | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Feb 17 2020 7:35 PM

And the reason I am asking is because a student in a Bible study that I attend asked me about what I thought of it. As I have tried to do some research, I am not finding anything useful. And I see her tomorrow! So really would appreciate some help! Smile

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Feb 17 2020 7:38 PM

It's available through Amazon so you can preview it there ... at first glance it looks promising but ... I also found

The Source New Testament by Ann Nyland was originally a popular translation among evangelicals. However, when it was republished as the Study New Testament for Gay, Lesbian, Bi, and Transgender, many evanglicals rejected itMy understanding is that this is the same translation with additional notes.
. This led me to the obvious question "what's in the title?"

Orthodox Bishop Hilarion Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."

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Charlene | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Feb 17 2020 7:40 PM

I had started doing that, but wasn’t really getting much of a “scholarly" review, which is what I wanted.

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Feb 17 2020 7:46 PM

does this help? http://theogeek.blogspot.com/2008/02/proper-bible-translation.html

Orthodox Bishop Hilarion Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."

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Charlene | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Feb 17 2020 7:52 PM

That was the type of thing I was looking for! I was just surprised that there weren't a lot of reviews on this book, for this to have been out for so long.

Thanks!

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Kevin A Lewis | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Feb 18 2020 7:14 AM

What you really need are reviews by similarly qualified Greek scholars with an awareness of the latest findings to be able to critique her work. As yet I have not found anything.

The most likely source would be journal articles. Either way for her to confidently assert such radical changes to our understanding of the NT text is not of itself sufficient for us to throw out everything we think we know.

Blessings Kevin

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Charlene | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Feb 18 2020 9:51 AM

Kevin A Lewis:

What you really need are reviews by similarly qualified Greek scholars with an awareness of the latest findings to be able to critique her work. As yet I have not found anything.

The most likely source would be journal articles. Either way for her to confidently assert such radical changes to our understanding of the NT text is not of itself sufficient for us to throw out everything we think we know.

I so agree, Kevin! That was what I was hoping, to find some scholarly review, but I couldn't find anything. And I agree with your conclusion. It was mine as well, after looking at a few places in her book.

I told this student this morning that I couldn't recommend the book, as there were some hesitations I had concerning her comments, and also the fact that there were no scholarly reviews of the book.

But, thank you both (Kevin and MJ) for your comments!

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Denise | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Feb 18 2020 3:17 PM

I ended up buying it (paper). Then I got her Enoch book too. Very interesting approach. One article indicated she was going to translate the NT, presuming an Enochian background. I doubt one could be so lucky; the NT does look very Enochian.

When I first read the samples, I thought, oh great, here we go again with later tradition presented as early evidence (Christian scholarship). But then she zinged me on tax collector reputations, and I was sold. Her statements are heavily referenced to earliest evidence.

The Enoch volume is also interesting. She sort of starts pulling Enochian from every which way ... of course Jude, but then the Fathers, DSS, Revelations, and other parts of the NT. All easily found in Logos, of course, but packaged to point out the obvious. She also has Thomas, Jubilees, etc

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Charlene | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Feb 18 2020 6:58 PM

Interesting. Thanks, Denise!

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Denise | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Feb 21 2020 4:15 PM

Just adding for later wonder-ers.

1. 'The Source' is the first book I've received that was literally printed 2 days earlier! I guess that's the future. Paperback, good quality, but doesn't show chapter numbers, except at the start of each chapter. Book names are at the bottom of each page. So, you spend a LOT of thumbing time, because she has a lot of 'see note at [verse xyz]'.

2. I'd say on average, each page is a third notes, plus page-size blocks of geography, culture, etc. The notes are mostly greek discussion (greek letters and transliterated). If one has a decent Logosian greek background, the points are interesting, and checkable. Agree or disagree, but makes you slow down. And each book has an intro, which similarly digs into more details ... mss's, which Fathers, and so on. I'd put it at 3rd or 4th year Bible college (yes, papyri, etc but not overwhelming).

3. If I had to assign its closest 'cousin', I'd say Oxford Commentary ... not a translation per se. The book is far more interested in original possibles, vs 'one meaning' (typical of traditional translations). So, if you enjoy greek, 'the scribes??', and what happens if you move the comma, you'd enjoy this book.

4. It's certainly not 'doctrinal', nor devotional. I'd say 'Logosian' (though Lexham would have a heart attack during its nightmare).

5. A keeper for me ... I don't keep much (just yesterday, 2 more refunds ... no patience with sloppy logic).

"God will save his fallen angels and their broken wings He'll mend."

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Feb 21 2020 4:22 PM

Thank you.

Orthodox Bishop Hilarion Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."

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