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Mattillo | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Feb 20 2020 4:56 AM

Jan Krohn:

Paul Caneparo:
I picked this book up, but returned it as it's effectively a condensed version of Evidence That Demands a Verdict. Well worth getting if you don't already have the latter, although the latter seems to be on sale fairly regularly for $4.99 -  only if you live in the USA though now.

It is indeed, but as a reference volume, I like the Logos integration.

What really needs to go on sale for $4.99 is this one:

https://www.logos.com/product/180152/new-evidence-that-demands-a-verdict

 Just a reminder to those who can buy it. There is the updated version of the above in FLEB

https://ebooks.faithlife.com/product/137205/evidence-that-demands-a-verdict-life-changing-truth-for-a-skeptical-world 

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Jan Krohn | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Feb 20 2020 5:01 AM

Mattillo:

 Just a reminder to those who can buy it. There is the updated version of the above in FLEB

https://ebooks.faithlife.com/product/137205/evidence-that-demands-a-verdict-life-changing-truth-for-a-skeptical-world 

I already have that, but I thought the "new evidence" was the updated version... Hmm

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Jan Krohn | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Feb 20 2020 5:14 AM

Ah, got it. The "new evidence" is the old edition.

What a way to name the revision of the revision... 🙄

Be gone from my wish list, new evidence!

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Paul Caneparo | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Feb 20 2020 5:16 AM

Jan Krohn:

Mattillo:

 Just a reminder to those who can buy it. There is the updated version of the above in FLEB

https://ebooks.faithlife.com/product/137205/evidence-that-demands-a-verdict-life-changing-truth-for-a-skeptical-world 

I already have that, but I thought the "new evidence" was the updated version... Hmm

This book has the following statement and was published in 2017

https://www.logos.com/product/137205/evidence-that-demands-a-verdict-life-changing-truth-for-a-skeptical-world

© 2017 Josh McDowell Ministry.

Substantial portions of this material were previously published as The New Evidence That Demands a Verdict by Thomas Nelson in 1999, Evidence That Demands a Verdict, Vols. I and II, by Thomas Nelson 1992, and Evidence That Demands a Verdict by Thomas Nelson in 1984. Those editions included material originally published by Here’s Life Publishers, Inc. © 1972, 1975, 1979, 1981 Campus Crusade for Christ, Inc

I've returned Evidence for Christianity now, but the forward said it contained all the best arguments from Evidence That Demands a Verdict. 

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Mattillo | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Feb 20 2020 6:20 AM

Yeah I can't make any defenses for the odd naming scheme but the one in FLEB is the newest one.  I put a link below w/ the Josh's son, Sean, who helped update the book.  You do lose the bells and whistles of the older Logos version but I'm not quite sure what bells and whistles an apologetics book might offer in Logos except better quality.

https://seanmcdowell.org/blog/interview-evidence-that-demands-a-verdict-for-a-new-generation 

Why make an updated version now?

Culture has changed dramatically since the late 90s. And the main reason for this is the ubiquity of the Internet. When my father first wrote Evidence, the value of the book came from the scarcity of the information. People simply did not have access to accessible apologetics material. But now there is an abundance of information. But Evidence still has value for two reasons. First, it is a trusted brand. When everyone has a platform to proclaim ideas, there is tremendous value in the Evidence brand that has proven trustworthy over four decades.

And second, Evidence is a time-saver. While the information is much more available today, the one (big!) volume of Evidence will save students, pastors, parents, skeptics and others a remarkable amount of research time.

Here’s the bottom line: Culture has changed. Questions have changed. Apologetics still matter deeply. And Evidence is a brand people have come to trust. Why not do an update?

What are some of the new or updated topics?

While we updated the classic chapters in Evidence, such as the uniqueness of the Bible, evidence for the resurrection, prophecy, and the reliability of the Bible, there are some new topics as well. For instance, there is a chapter on the martyrdom of the apostles, which was based on my academic book The Fate of the Apostles. We also added chapters on the claim that Christianity is a copycat religion, the Gnostic Gospels, the nature and knowability of truth, an appendix responding to some of the claims of Bart Ehrman, and more.

And the section on the Old Testament is almost entirely new. In the 70s-90s, the Documentary Hypothesis was a big deal. But now it is a minor issue. So, to be current, we added issues on the exodus, the conquest, and other key events and people from the Old Testament including the historical Adam.

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Paul Caneparo | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Feb 20 2020 6:57 AM

Mattillo:

Yeah I can't make any defenses for the odd naming scheme but the one in FLEB is the newest one.  I put a link below w/ the Josh's son, Sean, who helped update the book.  You do lose the bells and whistles of the older Logos version but I'm not quite sure what bells and whistles an apologetics book might offer in Logos except better quality.

https://seanmcdowell.org/blog/interview-evidence-that-demands-a-verdict-for-a-new-generation 

Why make an updated version now?

Culture has changed dramatically since the late 90s. And the main reason for this is the ubiquity of the Internet. When my father first wrote Evidence, the value of the book came from the scarcity of the information. People simply did not have access to accessible apologetics material. But now there is an abundance of information. But Evidence still has value for two reasons. First, it is a trusted brand. When everyone has a platform to proclaim ideas, there is tremendous value in the Evidence brand that has proven trustworthy over four decades.

And second, Evidence is a time-saver. While the information is much more available today, the one (big!) volume of Evidence will save students, pastors, parents, skeptics and others a remarkable amount of research time.

Here’s the bottom line: Culture has changed. Questions have changed. Apologetics still matter deeply. And Evidence is a brand people have come to trust. Why not do an update?

What are some of the new or updated topics?

While we updated the classic chapters in Evidence, such as the uniqueness of the Bible, evidence for the resurrection, prophecy, and the reliability of the Bible, there are some new topics as well. For instance, there is a chapter on the martyrdom of the apostles, which was based on my academic book The Fate of the Apostles. We also added chapters on the claim that Christianity is a copycat religion, the Gnostic Gospels, the nature and knowability of truth, an appendix responding to some of the claims of Bart Ehrman, and more.

And the section on the Old Testament is almost entirely new. In the 70s-90s, the Documentary Hypothesis was a big deal. But now it is a minor issue. So, to be current, we added issues on the exodus, the conquest, and other key events and people from the Old Testament including the historical Adam.

Mattillo. I think the Faithlife version is even newer at was published in 2017 rather than 2005 for the Logos one. Either way both are very good.

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JT (alabama24) | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Feb 20 2020 7:37 AM

Mattillo:
I can't make any defenses for the odd naming scheme

I agree it is confusing. However, the original one was written by Josh alone. This one is co-authored by his son... so, a "new" book. 

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Victor Chebech | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Feb 20 2020 10:46 AM

if you don't have it might be worth picking up.

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Scott | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Feb 21 2020 9:27 PM

I'm evaluating whether to eliminate these from my cart:

Nelson’s Illustrated Guide to Religions: A Comprehensive Introduction to the Religions of the World
https://www.logos.com/product/52611/nelsons-illustrated-guide-to-religions-a-comprehensive-introduction-to-the-religions-of-the-world


Illustrated Manners and Customs of the Bible
https://www.logos.com/product/1207/illustrated-manners-and-customs-of-the-bible


The Theological Wordbook 
https://www.logos.com/product/9862/the-theological-wordbook


Anyone have them or got any tips on them?

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Jerome Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Feb 22 2020 8:15 AM

I have all three volumes in your cart. I am currently reading Nelson's Illustrated Guide to Religions. It is well worth getting. It is introductory in nature, but very informative. That is to be expected. I have whole books about some of the many religions discussed. I have had extensive contact and discussion with a few of the religions. The content is objective and accurate. The illustrations come through very nicely.

Illustrated Manners and Customs of the Bible is a highly informative book with detailed discussion of many manners and customs. This is an essential reference work.

The Theological Wordbook is necessarily brief in its discussions, but does get to the heart of the theological words and topics it discusses.

For the price on this sale, these works are a good bargain and are full of informative, useful content.

Scott:

I'm evaluating whether to eliminate these from my cart:

Nelson’s Illustrated Guide to Religions: A Comprehensive Introduction to the Religions of the World
https://www.logos.com/product/52611/nelsons-illustrated-guide-to-religions-a-comprehensive-introduction-to-the-religions-of-the-world


Illustrated Manners and Customs of the Bible
https://www.logos.com/product/1207/illustrated-manners-and-customs-of-the-bible


The Theological Wordbook 
https://www.logos.com/product/9862/the-theological-wordbook


Anyone have them or got any tips on them?

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Jan Krohn | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Feb 22 2020 8:44 AM

Jerome Smith:
I am currently reading Nelson's Illustrated Guide to Religions.

Does it include the images as seen in the sample pages?

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DAL | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Feb 22 2020 9:57 AM

Jan Krohn:

Jerome Smith:
I am currently reading Nelson's Illustrated Guide to Religions.

Does it include the images as seen in the sample pages?

Yes it does 👍😁👌

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Scott | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Feb 22 2020 12:18 PM

  Just found the "see inside" button. My bad! Still love hearing everyone's evals.Just found the "see inside" button. My bad! Still love hearing everyone's evals.

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Jan Krohn | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Feb 22 2020 2:18 PM

Got it. Thanks for tempting me.

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Daniel Motley (Faithlife) | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Mar 5 2020 5:16 PM

Hi all,

Since it's not listed on the homepage now, just a reminder that the Thomas Nelson Reference Works sale ends tonight at midnight.

https://www.logos.com/thomas-nelson-sale

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DAL | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Mar 5 2020 5:30 PM

Daniel Motley (Faithlife):

Hi all,

Since it's not listed on the homepage now, just a reminder that the Thomas Nelson Reference Works sale ends tonight at midnight.

https://www.logos.com/thomas-nelson-sale

Thanks for the heads up! With the ones I already owned and the few I purchased, I now have 50 out of the 58 resources offered on this sale 👍😁👌

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Paul Caneparo | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Mar 6 2020 3:44 AM

Daniel Motley (Faithlife):

Hi all,

Since it's not listed on the homepage now, just a reminder that the Thomas Nelson Reference Works sale ends tonight at midnight.

https://www.logos.com/thomas-nelson-sale

Can we have more sales like this?

My library is large enough for most of my needs now. So sales like this encourage me to consider and buy books I wouldn't have otherwise considered because the pricing is compelling.

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Milkman | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Mar 6 2020 6:24 AM

Same here.

mm.

Mark Smith:

Bruce Dunning:

Anyone think that there are any "must-haves" in this sale?

None. For the price, the New Illustrated Bible Dictionary actually has some good content so if you don't have it might be worth picking up. I have quite a few of the others being offered and don't find myself using them.

mm.

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Ted Weis | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Mar 6 2020 4:56 PM

Sale over.

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Jan Krohn | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Mar 6 2020 5:01 PM

The next sale may start!

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