How is your church adapting for COVID-19?

Hello!
I'm Daniel, and I'm the product manager for Logos mobile apps. I'm up here in Faithlife's Bellingham, WA office.
If you've been following the news, you might have seen Washington is experiencing interesting times (to say the least!).
We have restrictions on gathers of more than 250 people. Schools are likely to close state-wide today. Many outbreaks in our elderly population. Over the coming weeks, churches across the US and worldwide will likely need to adapt to our temporary new normal.
If you're a church leader, I'd love to hear about how you plan to manage church operations, teach the Bible, and keep your people safe. Our users represent a wide spectrum of church styles, sizes, and contexts-- I'm sure we can learn a ton and compare notes.
I hope this thread becomes a place to generate ideas and learn from each other. Let's stay away from politics and accusations of both "you're over-reacting" and "you are crazy to not be more afraid".
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Hi Daniel - thanks for asking the question.
I'm in the UK and we are watching this closely.
Schools are currently being kept open and there are no restrictions on public gatherings - although a lot of major sporting events have been cancelled / postponed today. Some churches in the UK have decided to not meet this Sunday.
We are currently planning to meet (probably around 120 people) but taking a range of hygeine precuations.
We are also live streaming our service for the first time to try and include those who choose to stay away over health concerns.
Graham
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I'm one of the longtime Logos "heretics," from the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, i.e. a Mormon.
Given our centralized structure and hierarchy, a lot of local things were happening slowly, until the last 48 hours. Official announcement out of Salt Lake, all Church meetings, groups, classes, etc. canceled for the indefinite future. The bi-annual worldwide conference which was scheduled for April 4-5 will now be online only.
Fortunately, about a year ago, they revamped some things to encourage a lot more "home-based, Church-supported" spirituality and learning, so it's a big shift, but not as big as it might have been.
You can read the text of that and related directives at the top, here.
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I'm in Spain and we've decided to suspend all on-site and off-site meetings. We're looking at live streaming sermon and worship, although not quite there yet, so my sermon will be recorded tomorrow and hopefully uploaded for viewing by the congregation for Sunday morning.
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Just from the pew-side, the 'distancing' strategy really recommends the strength of the Church ... increasing communicating. Especially for the older folks. We're making short 'hello' and chat phone calls ... keep everyone safe.
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Denise said:
We're making short 'hello' and chat phone calls ... keep everyone safe.
I like that you've called this relational/mental health/pastoral care element out. I don't think text/social media, email will fulfill people's needs for relationship.
Maybe talking on the phone will become popular again!
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I'm from Germany and today nearly all of our member states decided to close down universities, schools, public events and buildings such as theaters, libraries. Our politicians are actually late in taking these measures - most of continental Europe has done so already.
Regarding churches: the local diocese of the RCC decided to close down large church buildings and all events including Sunday services. The local mainstream protestant church decided to close down everything except Sunday service, but local pastors are free to decide locally. Probably they will change course soon and decide to close Sunday services as well (given that the elderly make up most of their congregations and are most at risk from COVID-19). All restrictions are planned to last until Easter - there's a three week school holiday around Easter anyway - and both large churches will monitor the situation and decide over Easter services in April.
The evangelical church I attend decided today to close our children, teen and young adult programs completely - tomorrow the leaders will decide whether to hold Sundays' service (usual attendance around 200-250) or not. I expect them to cancel it. Official restrictions currently are in place only for gatherings over 1000 people, I think, but of course we're concerned for the safety of the congregation - lots of small children who are most likely to carry viruses around, but also elderly people most at risk catching it and becoming severely ill or die. Last week I wondered, since handshakes and hugs were discouraged via signs, but for coffee the lots of people stood closely around small tables. Nobody would wear masks - they are sold out since January in Germany anyways.
We will lifestream a youth service tonight, using the private youtube channel of our youth pastor (teens are not happy about that - that service happens only once a quarter and draws teens from around the region). If we don't have Sunday service, it will most probably be streamed live on our church website, as it is every week anyway.
Have joy in the Lord!
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I’m from the Netherlands and our national government announced yesterday (12 march) that all gatherings above 100 persons are suspended until the end of march. Most of the national churches advised their local congregations to follow the official guidelines and ban all church services until the end of march. My local church accepted this guideline and suspended all services until the end of march. Until then their will be a live stream/recording each Sunday morning and evening with some music by the organ, prayer and a sermon. Also, all universities suspended classes, so until the end of march there will also be no lectures for theology students.
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I think that this whole thing is part of the new world order, created by reptilians that live on Mars, and is going to reduce the world population so that the global elites can have their Bilderberg meetings in public instead of the forest. I suspect that we will all very soon be boxed up, have a chip implanted into us, and then the greys will arrive in UFOs and tell us that it is all Trump's fault...
I'm joking. Forgive me. I couldn't help myself.
Seriously, I live in SC. I'm on staff at a rural country church. About 350 or so? on Sunday mornings. Older congregation. Sadly, I do not know what to expect this weekend. There's been nothing said officially from the pastor. There was an email sent out yesterday to those on the email list that pretty much said (without mentioning the virus) we are having church Sunday, it is going to be an exciting message, and make sure you invite a friend to bring with you. I don't know, but I suspect that it was sent (emails like that don't go out often) in anticipation of an attendance hit this coming Sunday. Our church has always been reluctant to change a service for any reason. We don't get snow or ice often, but even when we do it is made clear, we will have church like usual, get here if you can.
Being a traditional church, we still have a stand and greet time. It would make sense to me not to do that this week, but I guess we'll see what happens. I'm the youth pastor, and I usually find out things after the fact, and as you can imagine, I typically don't speak up I go along with what I am told to do.
I know that my words don't add a whole lot to the thread, but I suspect that churches like the one I am currently at will do or change nothing. I hope it ends up passing, and nothing too major happens. But it would also be sad to see something sad at churches like mine, and then the Sr leadership looks back with regret at not taking it seriously. (FYI, I am at a very conservative, doesn't change, puts a high value on being at church Sunday morning night and Wed night type church).
I look fwd to other people's responses. It would be suitable for someone like me (MDiv student, on a 'lower level' position at a church) to keep this event in mind, and if/when the day comes that I am at a church as a pastor or leader to be able to look back on this time and what did or didn't work.
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I just got back from Rome 6 days ago, (and it was magnificent because no one was there--so I had an hour alone with 5 Japanese Christians in the Sistine Chapel last Thursday, but I digress), but in response, we are cancelling live services and streaming it instead.
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I am in Connecticut, USA. We have 6 confirmed cases of COVID-19 and all are in the southwest portion of the state, close to New York. This is where I am located. Our church runs about 120 in attendance.
Our governor yesterday mandated all gatherings of over 250 people to be cancelled. The public schools in our region have all closed as of yesterday (Thursday) or today (Friday). Likewise the universities have all closed and gone to online classes (unfortunately creating great confusion for our many international students in the region).
We are taking matters a day at a time. We do plan to meet on our regular Sunday morning schedule this week. We have implemented cleaning protocols, have removed hymnals and Bibles from the pew racks (we project our music so this isn't critical), will not pass offering plates but have ushers hold them near the doors at the close of the service, and are discouraging physical contact. We did cancel an after-worship luncheon for tomorrow. We have some folks who we know will be absent until the danger passes. We've counseled everyone to make wise decisions based on their own situations and concerns. We do live stream over Facebook so people can view the service if they remain home.
A number of churches in our area have cancelled services for the near-term.
Pastor, North Park Baptist Church
Bridgeport, CT USA
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Here are a few things that might help:
1) We'll be handing out E-collars to all worshipers ...
(unfortunately, communion becomes problematic) [;)]
2) Worldly advice: When in trouble, when in doubt, run in circles, scream and shout. [;)]
3) Biblical advice: “Though He slay me, I will hope in Him." Job 13:15a and, “And who of you by being worried can add a single hour to his life?" Mt 6:27 [:D]
Instead of Artificial Intelligence, I prefer to continue to rely on Divine Intelligence instructing my Natural Dullness (Ps 32:8, John 16:13a)
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Canceling services- they are going to FB the Pastors message- in order to limit any chance for our seniors. Our service averages 4,000.
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In King County (i.e Seattle), churches open for private prayer, services and large activities cancelled, a single service streamed online - archdiocese also streaming a service. Daughter-in-law pastor in Texas adopted a 3 phase plan starting with small changes to services up to cancelling everything - the plan developed with the help of an army specialist in infectious diseases. https://www.ntnl.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/COVID-19-ILC-Plan-Immanuel-Killeen.pdf She also has a bulletin insert.
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IL is using the same guidelines as WA.
We're going to have our service on Sunday (only ~150 average attendance), but we're asking anyone with symptoms of illness to stay home, asking anyone in high risk categories to think twice about coming, working really hard to disinfect our building, and starting a live stream option. We will stay up to date on developments and go live-stream only if necessary. We've also postponed or canceled secondary activities.
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Our congregation is very small. We had intended to hold services as usual this coming Sunday, and simply ask anyone who had been exposed to the virus to stay home. However, late this afternoon we learned of a member who is exhibiting symptoms consistent with the coronavirus, and who tested negative for the flu. He has been tested for COVID-19 but the results are not expected back until early next week. In response, we've cancelled Sunday's service and are replacing it with a devotional by conference call. We'll reevaluate what to do going forward next week.
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M.J., many thanks for the link to Immanuel Lutheran. What a wonderfully well-done list! (I’m an octogenarian retired Presbyterian pastor in Portland, OR who is delighted not to have to make plans for the safety of others.) Our Presbyteries‘ Sunday services have been cancelled and replaced by streaming for those congregations able to do so.
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The church that I worship at is so far still planning to continue with our multiple services, however, our online service is being heavily encouraged. Communication has been increased via email. We already do not "pass the bucket" so the options of tithing is really not a big deal. My pastor did originally consider having a service on Monday morning for the elderly, but this has changed to encourage them to watch online. We are also increasing the sanitizing of the church building & creating sanitizing stations throughout the heavily trafficked areas. Our kids' area got a very healthy dose of Lysol very recently.
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I am just north of Birmingham, AL. Our governor just declared a state of emergency closing down all schools starting this coming Thursday until April 6th. The state guideline is no gatherings over 500 people. Our church runs about 600 on Sunday, split between 9:00 Worship/Sunday School and 10:30 Worship/Sunday School. We have a large student ministry and several children in child care.
This Sunday, we will run three worship services only at 8:00 am, 10:30 am, and 6:00 pm, with the 10:30 service being streamed via Facebook Live. We will clean the sanctuary after each service. There will be no Sunday School or childcare. We are having worship services only. We will also not be passing offering plates. We will set up drops at the doors instead.
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Daniel Di Bartolo said:
I'd love to hear about how you plan to manage church operations, teach the Bible, and keep your people safe.
I am part of the group tasked with making these guidelines at our church in the Texas panhandle (where we have no confirmed cases yet). We meet tomorrow to set the formal guidelines. While not officially approved yet, these are some of the things we are recommending (not exhaustive list yet):
1. Cancel all non-Sunday worship activities (AWANAs, choir, Wednesday night events, etc.), effective immediately.
2. Cancel Sunday School, effective immediately.
3. Cancel Sunday night activities, effective immediately.
4. Continue Sunday morning worship with modifications.
a. discontinue meet-and-greet or modify it to waving at others
b. discontinue passing the collection plates (have ushers hold them at doors)
c. remove pew bibles and hymnals along with any other paper materials for the time being
d. announce ‘social distance’ guidelines at beginning of service (spread out, no touching, etc.)
e. provide hand sanitizer (if it is available!) at each entrance and encourage its use
5. Make sure the janitorial staff has CDC-recommended cleaning procedures and follows them using recommended products. This would especially include disinfecting surfaces such as doors, pew arms and pew backs, light switches, water fountains, bathroom surfaces, and so on.
6. Consider a tight restriction of the CLC patrons to a particular area of the building and close off this space on Sundays.
7. Remind everyone each meeting to please stay home if you are ill, if you have been exposed to someone known to be ill, or have traveled outside the area recently.
8. Remind members that if they are not comfortable with the public gathering they can remain at home and can access the sermons on the church’s website. Ask church members who plan not to attend to please let the church office know.
9. Instruct (and train) the security committee to discourage members or visitors from entering the building if they are obviously ill. They should be stationed at each entrance before each service.
10. Ask the deacons to consider contacting church members who are self-isolating to see about spiritual and physical needs.
11. Ask the church to pray for their community and those affected by the pandemic.
12. Small groups may meet at their discretion, but are not meeting as a formal part of the church program. (In other words, we can’t and shouldn’t try to prevent members from meeting privately but should state that this is not a part of the church’s operations at this time.)
13. Begin to prepare a response protocol in the case the virus becomes a local epidemic and there are numerous serious illnesses or deaths within the membership or the local community, including assisting other denominations/churches in the area.
14. Stay in active contact with the local health department and monitor CDC releases as well as state-of-emergency instructions and orders.
If governmental authorities move to restrict public gatherings, the church should comply within reason.
The pastor should talk about the church’s historical response to events like this and how we can be a proactive part of loving our neighbor by participating in protective measures along with staying in contact so we can assist those with needs.
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No church for three weeks. Here on the Canadian Prairies. FB'ing streaming for the preacher's message. We have over 400 in regular attendance.
It's all too silly this thing. No toilet paper to be had. Hand wipes all gone. Canned goods at Walmart not to be had.
Seriously, what on earth are ppl going to do with a $&!& load of toilet paper? A years' worth? c'mon! Get a life. Anyway maybe it is an alien thing like the previous member viciously quipped. Didn't David Icke say something about this during one of his other worldly highs in that jungle he travelled?
All schools in our Province are going to shut down for three weeks beginning the 23rd. If it's so bad why wait for a week to shut schools I ask?
Last night we went to the annual RV Show at our convention center and five minutes before it opened they shut it down. Well at least I saved $100,000 on a new toy. So we went for dinner and cocktails. Not me though. I was the DD [B] I just enjoyed my company.
I best stop before I tell you how I really feel about the beer flu. Corona virus. Maybe it's a combo of the flu and mad cow disease - affecting the brain. Ok I better stop.
mm.
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I'm in Brazil. Some locations with more cases are restricting public gatherings (with some churchs transmiting the services in Facebook), but for now is not our case.
We are a small congregation (around 40), and this week the sunday services will happen normally.
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Milkman said:
It's all too silly this thing. No toilet paper to be had. Hand wipes all gone. Canned goods at Walmart not to be had.
Don't feel bad. Our Japan agents (son & co) warned us what to quickly buy days back. We said, surely not. They were adament. And right. People around the world, all the same.
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We have several thousand that gather each week at our church, so we are decentralizing on campus. Rooms with no more than 250 persons in them and the service will be live in our main sanctuary and live-streamed to the extension rooms. It displaces our youth service, but we will have that in another room to make way for adult services.
We are making changes as the situation changes and communicating via social media, email, phones calls, and texts to volunteers and other church leaders who can relay the word to their circles. We have increased our cleaning protocols. We're located in Southern California, but have not had any cases in our county, so we are trying to be cautious without shutting too many things down. All other meetings, events, and gatherings at the church have been canceled until further notice.
We are preparing for tighter restrictions to go online-only or in small home groups potentially. I personally think online-only is not a comprehensive long-term plan, so our pastoral staff is working to get our plans in place should this stretch into weeks or months. I am the Youth Pastor at my church. I greatly appreciate the info shared here and will pass it along!
In other related news... I have found it fascinating to read Martin Luther's "Whether One May Flee from a Deadly Plague (1527)" from Martin Luther’s Basic Theological Writings. He's surprisingly relevant in his mention of quarantine, pastoral responsibility, cleanliness (considering his time period, of course), and even-handedness between practicality and spirituality.
Also, I recently read Stark's "Rise of Christianity" (not in Logos) and it had a chapter detailing the Christian response to the decimating smallpox outbreaks in second-century Rome. You can read (Chapter 4) it in the preview on Google Books. The church's self-sacrificing response is heroic. That chapter was based on an article he wrote in Semeia 56, “Epidemics, Networks, and the Rise of Christianity”.
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Milkman said:
All schools in our Province are going to shut down for three weeks beginning the 23rd. If it's so bad why wait for a week to shut schools I ask?
Many expect that it will get worse in a week or two. BUT be prepared for them to shut down mid week.
And to all that listed what they were to doing: Thank! I have sent copies to my Elders as they are reviewing what we will do next.
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I feel you Milkman! What’s wrong with people?!!! Makes you wonder if they’ve actually been washing their hands and wiping their butts before the coronavirus came along! I could actually understand if stores ran out of hand sanitizers, but toilet paper??? Really??? 🧻 😂😂😂 What kind of upsets me about this is how ridiculous people get and how they don’t think about other people just themselves! Stores should have a policy that states only one pack of 36 roll of toilet paper per family like they do with the water when a hurricane is about to hit. But oh well!
I love my bidet! And yes, I’m glad walmart still has toilet paper 👍😁👌
DAL
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Richard, many thanks for reporting your reading with links[:)]
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I've been convinced for a couple of weeks that trying to prevent this pandemic is going to be orders of magnitude worse that the pandemic itself. Whatever the severity of this in terms of deaths (lets just consider the US), whether it's just thousands dead or possibly hundreds of thousands dead...that outcome will be a blip on the agony scale compared to the deliberate destruction we are inflicting upon ourselves trying to "dodge the bullet". I fear the worldwide socio-economic destruction we are inflicting by shutting down all human society is going to be much, much, much worse than the Great Depression. The time to hunker down was in January--it's too late now. As I see it, trying to avoid the impact of this pandemic is like stepping off the sidewalk into the street, where trying to avoid a cyclist on sidewalk simply puts you in the immediate path of a Mack truck. Of the two, viral pandemic and economic cataclysm, the second EASILY has the capacity to be far more horrible and devastating. This thing could easily last through the end of the summer if not longer, and widespread hunger and riots in the streets could make the death toll from the virus seem quaint. I suppose it is possible that the government could tell people to "return to their normal activities" when those social fabric rendings begin to manifest, but at that point, we won't just have to contend with the disaster of an utterly spent health and medical system, we will be trying to do so while being eyeball-deep in the worst economically-spurred food and humanity crisis anyone has ever seen. The ONLY way we can recover from the terrible devastation of this pandemic is by having an economic engine that has been week-by-week deliberately tooling itself for that needed recovery...only that CAN NEVER HAPPEN, because we are already well into the process of disassembling the engine down to its component parts and in some cases we appear to be melting down some of the most important parts just because.
The best way to deal with the virus is to do what we do in the face of the flu virus...soldier on.
That said, it wouldn't hurt to wonder if this is a judgment of YHWH. I know both sides of the political spectrum in this country have pissed Him off...that ought to be painfully obvious. Remember how He ridicules those who try to hide in caves to avoid His reach? Yeah...that.
Here's to hoping I'm Chicken Little. [*-)]
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Friends,
How do you do Holy Communion when church has to be closed for an extended period of time?
Peter
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PL said:
Friends,
How do you do Holy Communion when church has to be closed for an extended period of time?
Peter
Easy, buy unleavened bread (Mazzo) and grape juice so you can partake of communion at home.
DAL
Ps. You can read 1 Corinthians 11:23-29, then pray for the bread, eat it and then pray for the grape juice and drink it. Have a short meditation on Jesus’s sacrifice for you and that should do it.
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David Paul said:
That said, it wouldn't hurt to wonder if this is a judgment of YHWH. I know both sides of the political spectrum in this country have pissed Him off...that ought to be painfully obvious. Remember how He ridicules those who try to hide in caves to avoid His reach? Yeah...that.
Or perhaps its the Lord's way of awakening a world out of its complacency and self-sufficiency and turning their hearts towards Him in repentance.
Perhaps we are on the threshold of a great revival?
Or could it be both (judgment and revival) simultaneously?
Or in retrospect could this end up just being like the swine flu part 2?
Stay tuned...
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Steve Maling said:
Richard, many thanks for reporting your reading with links
You're Welcome!
PL said:Friends,
How do you do Holy Communion when church has to be closed for an extended period of time?
Peter
I would agree with DAL. It's BYOB - Bring your own bread! Unless your tradition prohibits the laity from administering communion, families can partake in their homes or home groups. It could be facilitated by a minister online giving instruction and scripture reading, while families partake in their homes. Family members could be distributed online, email, etc, a devotional reading that could instruct them - I find most lay-persons are not practiced in administering the sacraments. I am a bit of a non-traditionalist with communion, however, having administered it to students with welch's grape juice and sweet, Hawaiian bread. (YUM!) I've yet to use grape soda... So take my advice with caution... Ha!
David Paul said:trying to prevent this pandemic is going to be orders of magnitude worse that the pandemic itself.
David, I would tend to agree with you... but am trying to be realistically optimistic. I think the societal reaction gives me greater concern than the actual disease, but then again, I am youngish, healthy, and have a fully functioning immune system. Calm is in order; may the Church lead the way in our tempered, faith-filled, and thoughtful reactions.
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Richard Villanueva said:
Unless your tradition prohibits the laity from administering communion, families can partake in their homes or home groups. It could be facilitated by a minister online giving instruction and scripture reading, while families partake in their homes. Family members could be distributed online, email, etc, a devotional reading that could instruct them - I find most lay-persons are not practiced in administering the sacraments
Few traditions prohibit laity from administering communion, to the best of my knowledge. The question is whether laity can consecrate the bread and wine. However, a number of traditions make allowance for an agape feast which does not require consecration.
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We had positive feedback today to our online streamed service. Obviously some learning points too, as it was our first ever. The greatest effort was in the video editing, as the sermon slides were integrated into the video of the preaching. We recorded yesterday and streamed from the time of our usual Sunday service.
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lol!
DAL said:I feel you Milkman! What’s wrong with people?!!! Makes you wonder if they’ve actually been washing their hands and wiping their butts before the coronavirus came along! I could actually understand if stores ran out of hand sanitizers, but toilet paper??? Really??? 🧻 😂😂😂 What kind of upsets me about this is how ridiculous people get and how they don’t think about other people just themselves! Stores should have a policy that states only one pack of 36 roll of toilet paper per family like they do with the water when a hurricane is about to hit. But oh well!
I love my bidet! And yes, I’m glad walmart still has toilet paper 👍😁👌
DAL
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Milkman said:
lol!
DAL said:I feel you Milkman! What’s wrong with people?!!! Makes you wonder if they’ve actually been washing their hands and wiping their butts before the coronavirus came along! I could actually understand if stores ran out of hand sanitizers, but toilet paper??? Really??? 🧻 😂😂😂 What kind of upsets me about this is how ridiculous people get and how they don’t think about other people just themselves! Stores should have a policy that states only one pack of 36 roll of toilet paper per family like they do with the water when a hurricane is about to hit. But oh well!
I love my bidet! And yes, I’m glad walmart still has toilet paper 👍😁👌
DAL
I found this on Facebook:
Just a reminder. Even the CDC said to have 30 days of necessities on hand. Just in case.
Which means....
Unless you have a medical problem, no one goes through 240 rolls of TP in 30 days.
Unless you want to fill your bathtub with Purel, no one needs 5 liters of hand sanitizer for 30 days.
Unless you are setting up your own sterile laboratory with stage 3 quarantine protocols, you do not need 12 bottles of Lysol for 30-days.
Unless you are expecting you will be sick with a fever every day of the 30 days, and you will be around others during that entire time, and you replace your face mask once every 10 minutes, NO ONE needs 800 face masks for 30 days.
Unless you are babysitting 10 babies, no one needs over 50 packages of baby-wipes for 30 days.
Because...and hear this.
Others need toilet paper.
Others need hand sanitizer.
Others need lysol.
Others need baby-wipes.
Others, when they are sick and have to be out in public, need masks.You are making yourself less safe by hoarding.
Because you are making it harder for others to be safe,
and to take reasonable precautions against disease.Very straightforward! 👍😁👌
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The Voice of ReasonDAL said:I found this on Facebook:
Just a reminder. Even the CDC said to have 30 days of necessities on hand. Just in case.
Which means....
Unless you have a medical problem, no one goes through 240 rolls of TP in 30 days.
Unless you want to fill your bathtub with Purel, no one needs 5 liters of hand sanitizer for 30 days.
Unless you are setting up your own sterile laboratory with stage 3 quarantine protocols, you do not need 12 bottles of Lysol for 30-days.
Unless you are expecting you will be sick with a fever every day of the 30 days, and you will be around others during that entire time, and you replace your face mask once every 10 minutes, NO ONE needs 800 face masks for 30 days.
Unless you are babysitting 10 babies, no one needs over 50 packages of baby-wipes for 30 days.
Because...and hear this.
Others need toilet paper.
Others need hand sanitizer.
Others need lysol.
Others need baby-wipes.
Others, when they are sick and have to be out in public, need masks.You are making yourself less safe by hoarding.
Because you are making it harder for others to be safe,
and to take reasonable precautions against disease.Very straightforward! 👍😁👌
Meanwhile, Jesus kept on growing wiser and more mature, and in favor with God and his fellow man.
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We are a small church (~50) in Vancouver, BC. We decided to have the service as usual yesterday morning, though people with respiratory symptoms or weakened immune systems were encouraged to stay home, we had hand sanitizer available at the entrance, and coffee/tea only (no food) after the service, and people were asked to avoid handshakes/hugs. In all 26 people showed up (I was away on a retreat, but I would have gone if I'd been in town). I heard it was a good service. As usual, the service was recorded on CD, and the sermon will be up on our website shortly. We're going to experiment with a live-streaming service soon.
The email that went around about the service going ahead sparked the first ever reply-all chain on our all-church email list. I'm guessing we'll be using email and phone calls more to keep in touch over the coming weeks. I'm also thinking of experimenting with some small group discussions using Zoom or some such. Problem is, many in our congregation are elderly and would probably struggle with the technology. I don't know how to help them not feel isolated, other than phone calls.
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Greetings from Finland Europe!
Today the Finnish government declared a state of emergency or a martial law, closing all schools and redirecting all teaching to be conducted remotely and digitally, via internet, social medias etc. to protect all the elderly and all in the risk groups.
All public meetings are restricted to 10 persons max. All state museums, theatres, the National Opera, culture houses, libraries, National Archive, hobby points, swimming halls, youth centres, community centres, societies etc. are to be closed until April 13th. The same thing is recommended to religious communities. The preparation for the closing of the national borders is being planned.
Today the collegium of the bishops of the Evangelical-Lutheran Church of Finland decreed that church services are to be held as Services of the Word instead of being Masses, so that only the people conducting the proceedings may be present. The services will be streamed online. The congregation is the one participating online. The church must be open after the service for quieting and private prayer so that a minister is present. It is not a public meeting, but the church is nevertheless open.
I have 3 baptism’s during the next three weeks and they all will be conducted so that max. 10 persons are present. Perhaps we will go online on those occasions, as well? I have one burial service during the next week. The bishops’ recommendation is that all the burials should be conducted outdoors by the grave, if possible – I’m not sure, if that is possible. The memorial services can be arranged with all the funerals later, as the corona situation calms down. I have only one wedding during the next 4 weeks.
90 % of all the meetings or encounters have been cancelled. It’s all online – whenever possible.
We have 500 teenagers at this parish this year only, who should get their Confirmation and all the classes and teaching done before that. 50 of them at my responsibility, and the rest with 8 of my colleagues and the Vicar. We will go online whenever possible. Miserere nobis!
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David Paul said:
The best way to deal with the virus is to do what we do in the face of the flu virus...soldier on.
Sadly it is far worse than the flu. OK the percentage of deaths may be as low as flu would be or it may be as high as 4 or 5 % of those who catch it. The experts disagree.
I was there with you before I spoke to a dear Christian friend of my wife and myself only 35 years old who is like a daughter to us.
She shared with me her history of Pneumonia and Bronchitis almost in tears. My views changed. This is highly likely to be a death sentence to her if she falls ill with the virus. That is not an exaggeration according to Doctor friends.
There are unlikely to be enough hi-tech hospital ‘Breathers’ available in any country once it really gets going so people will die who might have been saved. Maybe 20% of those who catch it will need hospitalisation which will need far more beds than are available. Believe me, it is not an easy death as it effectively shreds your lung tissue as you are dying.
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We are a small church and plan to continue with our normal meeting schedule. I have encouraged our members to make decisions about attendance based on factual data. I have also encouraged them to hear what our Lord has to say about fear, anxiety, and emotional decisions.
That said, we have done some extra cleaning and disinfecting. The person who cleans our church (also a member) arrived early Sunday morning to wipe down all door knobs, keyboards, counter tops etc. I have also asked those in attendance not to steal our toilet paper. [:O]
If you happen to be in Gardendale, Alabama on Sunday morning, feel free to stop in. Our morning worship service starts at 10:30 AM CST.
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Olli-Pekka Ylisuutari said:
Greetings from Finland Europe!
I have 3 baptism’s during the next three weeks
I was taught that a baptism is the public announcement of a personal commitment. So, imho, if it gets 'delayed' it is no big deal. God already knows and He is the only one that counts.
Olli-Pekka Ylisuutari said:
I have one burial service during the next week.
I agree with your bishop. Simple service graveside now and memorial service latter. The deceased would be horrified if some of their friends needlessly joined them in a couple of weeks. [[that is if the ground is not too solid]]
Olli-Pekka Ylisuutari said:
I have only one wedding during the next 4 weeks.
I have no answers for that one other than that you could marry them now in a very small private ceremony and have a BIG party latter with all the fixings.
Best to you in your decision making. [[and that goes to all the rest of you that have to make the hard decisions in these trying times]]
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David Ames said:
I was taught that a baptism is the public announcement of a personal commitment.
This would not be the view of the poster. To put the issue in the framework of the original poster, see https://evl.fi/en/our-faith/what-we-believe/sacraments/baptism#bc8ca35c. Mind you the Evangelical Finnish Lutheran Church is basically an unknown to me - Apostolic Finnish Lutheran Church - a piestist movement church - is what I know.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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Wow you got your baptisms, burials and weddings planned ahead 😂 I guess people plan to die or they don‘t get buried right away when they do (like 3 days tops).
Not a theological discussion by the way, just mentioning what the Scriptures say, but Scriptures teach people were baptized immediately and didn’t have to wait or plan to get baptized later. Read the book of Acts for Scriptural examples. So it seems it wasn’t something that “it’s ok” to put off ‘til later it doesn’t matter what some are taught today. Just saying...
Anyway, stay safe 👍😁👌
DAL
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DAL said:
I guess people plan to die or they don‘t get buried right away
If you are responding to the Finnish Lutheran, he indicated that burial with a grave-side service would be continuing. If you are responding to someone else, my apologies for the mis-understanding.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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Our own diocesan policies are:
https://www.scd.org/coronavirus/holy-mass
Of course, with the heavy snowfall, I couldn’t get there safely anyway (I have a prosthetic leg and the snow was too deep for me to walk without falling)
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Fred Chapman said:
I have encouraged our members to make decisions about attendance based on factual data. I have also encouraged them to hear what our Lord has to say about fear, anxiety, and emotional decisions.
Have the new recommendations from the White House changed your decision about this?
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The Bahamas had just confirmed its first case on Sunday. All schools are closed (as far as I know) and all events using public spaces that the government owns are cancelled. Decision made last night.
Seventh-day Adventist have not taken a formal position as yet, instruction could come this week, but we have been emphasizing hand washing, social distancing and I have begun telling my colleagues to make use of streaming platforms in case churches have to be closed. My preference is Microsoft Team due to real time response.
Mission: To serve God as He desires.
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We've had to cancel our Friday morning book group, which is made up of mostly seniors (about 15 people). I tried an experiment with one of them meeting together over Zoom this evening. It took 20 min or so to talk him through the setup, so we decided it would be too complicated to get all of these tech-phobic seniors up and running on Zoom, for what is really a non-essential meeting.
Still no call on this Sunday's service, but I suspect it will be cancelled and some version of it live-streamed. It will be hard because two major aspects of our service are singing together in 4-part harmony (which you can't do via live-stream) and our discussion time after the sermon (which you also can't do via live-stream). We have no worship band, just a pianist. We have no pastor, just lay people together putting each service on. Having a sermon, and a pianist playing hymns for us to sing along with alone at home, and a worship leader reading Scripture and prayers to us, would be so very limited compared to what we're used to in our services. And it would force those people to be in proximity with each other when everyone is really supposed to limit their social contact to a very small circle (in France it's 5 now; Trump said 10 for the US today) -- and that's total, not each time you get together with others. These are tough times.
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MJ. Smith said:David Ames said:
I was taught that a baptism is the public announcement of a personal commitment.
This would not be the view of the poster. To put the issue in the framework of the original poster, see https://evl.fi/en/our-faith/what-we-believe/sacraments/baptism#bc8ca35c. Mind you the Evangelical Finnish Lutheran Church is basically an unknown to me - Apostolic Finnish Lutheran Church - a piestist movement church - is what I know.
Correct. For more info, see: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evangelical_Lutheran_Church_of_Finland
DAL said:I guess people plan to die or they don‘t get buried right away when they do (like 3 days tops).
DAL
We live - normally - in a very cold country, way up in the north. No need for quick funerals here, as in the south (or in the Holy Land). Just a cultural difference, I think...
Lynden Williams said:...we have been emphasizing… social distancing...
Our president of the Republic, mr. Sauli Niinistö, wisely said yesterday in a televized speech (my paraphrase of his thought): During these hard times we must not distance ourselves from each other socially or mentally, even though we need to do it physically…
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Olli-Pekka Ylisuutari said:MJ. Smith said:David Ames said:
I was taught that a baptism is the public announcement of a personal commitment.
This would not be the view of the poster. To put the issue in the framework of the original poster, see https://evl.fi/en/our-faith/what-we-believe/sacraments/baptism#bc8ca35c. Mind you the Evangelical Finnish Lutheran Church is basically an unknown to me - Apostolic Finnish Lutheran Church - a piestist movement church - is what I know.
Correct. For more info, see: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evangelical_Lutheran_Church_of_Finland
Sorry, I got somewhat blindsided by my protestant beliefs and was only thinking of the baptism of an adult that had gone through a 'training' series. [[my normal audience on this subject is a 6 or 9 year old that the pastor has denied baptism till "they grow up".]]
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