Search syntax in "Phrases" section of Bible Word Study

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Karl Fritz Jr. | Forum Activity | Posted: Mon, Apr 6 2020 4:09 AM

I'm seeing unexpected results (too few hits or no hits at all) from the searches executed within the "Phrases" section of the Bible Word Study guide.  See this picture for details:

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Graham Criddle | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Apr 6 2020 4:17 AM

Which Bible are you searching in?

Ensure you are using a Greek text and not an English translation.

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Karl Fritz Jr. | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Apr 6 2020 4:38 AM

Hmm, it worked when i changed it to NA28.  I thought for sure it would work fine in any translation with a reverse-interlinear.  Just before executing that search, i had tried the following in the ESV:

<Lemma ~ lbs/el/δικαιοσύνη> WITHIN 2 WORDS <Person God>

And i received results i expected.  But now that you mentioned that, i tried the same search in the SBLGNT & NA28 and got more hits.  Can you help me understand why the reverse-interlinear bibles don't return the same or very similar hits?

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Karl Fritz Jr. | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Apr 6 2020 4:40 AM

I'm assuming it's because word-order differences, but i thought the reverse-interlinear translations accounted for that.  I always see numbers for word order in the bottom pane.

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Graham Criddle | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Apr 6 2020 7:36 AM

Karl Fritz Jr.:
And i received results i expected.  But now that you mentioned that, i tried the same search in the SBLGNT & NA28 and got more hits.  Can you help me understand why the reverse-interlinear bibles don't return the same or very similar hits?

Andrew's comment at https://community.logos.com/forums/p/168863/976276.aspx#976276 is helpful - even though it doesn't clarify exactly why we are getting the results you mention.

I think the strong message is that for proximity searching, using original language texts is the much better option.

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Karl Fritz Jr. | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Apr 6 2020 9:13 AM

Thanks for the speedy responses! I guess it makes sense, too. If, for example, I were to do a proximity search for 2 English words, I wouldn’t want the Greek interfering, and vice versa. I suppose (though I haven’t tried) you could even mix and match Greek and English in a proximity search. I’ll assume English word order takes priority for English translations and ditto with any other language.  Thanks again!

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