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Hank Anderson | Forum Activity | Posted: Thu, Jul 2 2020 6:13 PM

Can someone help me understand why Logos does not do a better job of supporting the use of its products on mobile devices? They have refused to add any type of editing of sermons on its iOS app. They have crippled the sermon editing feature on its web app so that there is not even a way to export/print anything. And the features on its web app in general are very limited compared to what is available through its desktop applications. At the same time, more and more people are moving to mobile devices such as the iPad Pro and Android tablets. I don’t understand Logos’ aversion to mobile devices? More than a year ago, I asked a customer support supervisor about being able to edit sermons in the iOS app and was told flatly that it wouldn’t happen because Logos didn’t see the need! It is leading me to consider reducing the amount I am spending on the Logos Cloud and moving to other services that are more responsive to ministry in the 2020s. I am sorry for the rant, but this is highly frustrating to me.

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Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :) | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jul 3 2020 9:45 AM

Hank Anderson:
I am sorry for the rant, but this is highly frustrating to me.

Welcome Big Smile

Am sorry too. Rant expresses frustration while not helping Faithlife Corporation (or other users) understand reason(s) for hurt (and what could be improved). If went to a Doctor's office and said: "It hurts", what would Doctor (or Nurse) ask you ?

Hank Anderson:
Can someone help me understand why Logos does not do a better job of supporting the use of its products on mobile devices? They have refused to add any type of editing of sermons on its iOS app. They have crippled the sermon editing feature on its web app so that there is not even a way to export/print anything.

Faithlife has an ongoing challenge of what can be delightfully implemented on which platform(s) in a timely manner. Suspect not implemented is a fairer technical description about sermon editing as opposed to "crippled" while wondering how sermon export/print would help ministry (worship) workflow. Many web browsers have the ability to print a web page, which can include save as PDF. Hence wondering what Sermon Editor view(s) in Web App would allow web browser print functionality to be used ? (workflow discussion may uncover some other sermon options: e.g. Faithlife publication/presentation using Proclaim and/or other Faithlife web sites).

Thankful for many friendly forum and Faithlife discussions; have learned a lot plus have a lot to learn. One insight learned during Logos 4 Mac alpha, beta, 4.*. releases was immensity of the Logos 4 application. Logos Wiki => Logos Release History and => Mac Release Notes and History document substantial Mac feature parity took three years from Oct 2009 (first Logos 4 Mac alpha release) until Oct 2012 (initial Logos 5.0 release) to achieve. A lesson learned for Faithlife was not to promise an implementation date as Logos for Mac 1 History shows four years that included some Logos for Mac promise(s) followed by many months before being viable for customer use. Thankful for Logos 4 Mac alpha releases every week or two feeling like opening Christmas present(s) as Faithlife implemented more Logos 4 usability on Mac.

Two more threads to express mobile improvement desires is => Logos 9 Wishlist and => What full (desktop) Logos features would you need to see added to the mobile app?

Another place is UserVoice for Mobile Apps that allows other users to vote. Noticed no UserVoice for Web Apps along with UserVoice for Logos.com no longer being available so dreaming of user feedback improvement for Mobile, Web Apps, ... (desire a way for users to vote along with seeing what's in progress and what is planned along with user voting to help Faithlife prioritize development efforts).

Also noticed thread Web App FAQs posted on 5 Feb 2019 has an old Web App https://7.app.logos.com that redirects to https://app.logos.com 

Hank Anderson:
At the same time, more and more people are moving to mobile devices such as the iPad Pro and Android tablets.

Thread => Apple Silicon discussion includes: Geekbench for Android => https://browser.geekbench.com/android-benchmarks currently shows the fastest Qualcomm Snapdragon has Single-Core 905 and Multi-Core 3318 benchmarks, which are slower than iOS => https://browser.geekbench.com/ios-benchmarks showing Apple's A13 Bionic (in iPhone 11) has Single-Core 1327 and Multi-Core 3390 (with Apple's A12Z Multi-Core being 4625). Compared to the fastest Single-Core Intel Core i9 in Mac => https://browser.geekbench.com/mac-benchmarks having Single-Core 1244 and Multi-Core 8285, Apple's A13 Bionic Single-Core is ~7 % faster. Apple's A12Z Multi-Core being faster than A13 Bionic shows Apple has more Multi-Core performance potential.

Android (and Windows Surface Pro) have ARM processors, which are noticeably slower (humans tend to notice processor speed difference greater than 10 % so the fastest ARM for Android is currently 32 % slower than Apple's A13 Bionic). Developing for Android has a plethora of versions and hardware capabilities => https://developer.android.com/about/dashboards My apologies for personally avoiding Android due to many known security issues (cheaper hardware has a privacy invasion cost for ad revenue generation).

FYI: my primary device for Logos & Verbum use is a 2019 model 27" iMac with 5K display so can use visual filter highlighting.

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