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Leo Wee Fah | Forum Activity | Posted: Thu, Sep 17 2020 4:38 PM

https://www.logos.com/product/192576/niv-study-bible-notes 

Lately I am wondering why more and more books are becoming unavailable to us outside of USA...

I can get this Study Bible at less than half the price at Olive Tree, yet I can not get this in Logos ecosystem???  I can even get Zondervan hardcopy from my country, but Logos...? No!SadSad

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HansK | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Sep 18 2020 3:28 AM

Logos, please make this Bible available to all of us.

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Tes | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Sep 18 2020 3:54 AM

HansK:

Logos, please make this Bible available to all of us.

Blessings in Christ.

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Mattillo | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Sep 18 2020 6:14 AM

I didn't know this shipped! Each time I looked at it, it wouldn't allow me to PreOrder it but alas it has shipped.  Oh well... I'll wait for a sale I guess

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DAL | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Sep 18 2020 7:08 AM

I read some of the notes on Genesis and quite frankly I was not impressed.  I have better study Bibles than this  one and cheaper too 👍😁👌

DAL

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Tes | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Sep 18 2020 7:27 AM

DAL:
I read some of the notes on Genesis and quite frankly I was not impressed

 so that we may be aware of it, could you please quote it?

Blessings in Christ.

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DAL | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Sep 18 2020 9:09 AM

Tes:

DAL:
I read some of the notes on Genesis and quite frankly I was not impressed

 so that we may be aware of it, could you please quote it?

From Genesis (By the way, you can read these notes in the “Preview Resource” section in the product page):

4:1–26 How human sin progressed from murder of a brother in the second generation to arrogant assertion of independence from God and a claim of total self-sufficiency in the seventh generation. 

 4:1 With the help of the Lord. Eve acknowledged that God is the ultimate source of life (Ac 17:25). 

 4:2 Abel. The name means “breath” or “temporary” or “meaningless” (the translation of the same basic Hebrew word that is in Ecc 1:212:8) and hints at the shortness of Abel’s life.

4:3-4 Cain brought some of the fruits … And Abel also brought … fat portions from some of the firstborn of his flock. The contrast is not between an offering of plant life and an offering of animal life, but between a careless, thoughtless offering and a choice, generous offering (cf. Lev 3:16 and note). Motivation and heart attitude are all-important, and God looked with favor on Abel and his offering because of Abel’s faith (see Heb 11:4 and note). firstborn.Indicative of the recognition that all the productivity of the flock is from the Lord and all of it belongs to him. 

4:7 it desires to have you. In Hebrew, the same expression as that for “your desire will be for [your husband]” in 3:16 (see also SS 7:10).

4:8 attacked his brother … and killed him. The first murder was especially monstrous because it was committed with deliberate deceit (“Let’s go out to the field”), against a brother (vv. 9–111 Jn 3:12) and against a good man (see Mt 23:35Heb 11:4 and notes)—a striking illustration of the awful consequences of the fall. 

 4:9 Where …? A rhetorical question (3:9). I don’t know. An outright lie. Am I my brother’s keeper?Demonstrating callous indifference—all too common through the whole course of human history.

Etc., etc. As you can see, these notes are way too basic.  You’re better off creating your own Study Bible or getting another one that offers better notes than this one.

At the end of the day, the best Study Bible title is subjective.  This might be it for you, but I know is not for me.

Thanks!

DAL

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Tes | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Sep 18 2020 9:23 AM

Thank you DAL for the clarification. I don't have it and  Based on your assessment I have a clear view  of it and it will not be my choice as well. 

Blessings in Christ.

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Scott E. Mahle | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Sep 18 2020 9:31 AM

If one has the previous NIV Zondervan Study Bible in their library, the $44 asking price on the revised edition may be better spent on something else.

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DAL | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Sep 18 2020 10:34 AM

Scott E. Mahle:

If one has the previous NIV Zondervan Study Bible in their library, the $44 asking price on the revised edition may be better spent on something else.

They are two different resources as stated here: https://community.logos.com/forums/t/191370.aspx 

DAL

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NB.Mick | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Sep 18 2020 11:01 AM

Scott E. Mahle:

If one has the previous NIV Zondervan Study Bible in their library, the $44 asking price on the revised edition may be better spent on something else.

I beg to differ, since those two study bibles are totally different. The original NIV Study Bible was a real bestseller for decades, and it was well known for its pan-evangelical approach, sometimes even openly admitting that a verse has different interpretations. It went through some editions (1985, 1995, 2002, 2008, 2011), but never really made it into Logos, except for the Lutheran-flavored CSSB which is based on the first edition.  

That other NIV Study Bible you link to (now "Biblical Theology Study Bible") was a whole new effort, creating notes from scratch. It surely is worthwile. However, I can imagine that a number of customers was not satisfied, to the point that Zondervan renamed that edition and brought a real update to the NIV Study Bible.

The sample from Genesis 4 DAL shared above is very different from the Biblical Theology Study Bible, but it is clearly a (sometimes only slight) revision of the NIVSB - some notes being worded the same as in CSSB. Which may well mean that if one has CSSB in their library, one may own a lot of this revision already (but then: it's not the real NIVSB and it's 35 years later!). But then again: what can I do, not living in the US, Australia/NZ, Canada or South Africa :-( 

 

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Scott E. Mahle | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Sep 18 2020 11:49 AM

NB.Mick:

The sample from Genesis 4 DAL shared above is very different from the Biblical Theology Study Bible . . .

We certainly have different interpretations of "very different" 

4:1–26 Cain and Abel. The sin that Adam and Eve brought into the world passes on to their son Cain. In ch. 4 it leads to envy and violence that results in the murder of one brother by another. As the generations progress, the violence escalates so that Lamech, the last in Cain’s line, commits murder to be avenged 11 times more than his ancestor, Cain.

4:2 Abel. Hebrew hebel, meaning “breath” or what passes away without leaving anything significant. It is a commentary on the short life of Abel and his lack of children and heirs.

4:3–5 If there is any hint as to the reason the Lord prefers Abel’s sacrifice over Cain’s, it may be that Abel offers the “fat portions” (v. 4), considered the best part of animals (Lev 3:16–17) from the “firstborn” (v. 4). Cain offers “some of the fruits of the soil” (v. 3), with no reference to their quality. Heb 11:4 attests to Abel’s faith.

4:7 sin. Named here for the first time in the Bible, it is personified as someone lying in wait for Cain. it desires to have you, but you must rule over it. A conflict of wills, just as in 3:16, where the same words and structure appear.

4:8 Sin escalates to one brother murdering another. This first violent act between two people anticipates the increase in violence in Cain’s line (vv. 23–24) and the violence that brings the flood in judgment (6:11–13).

4:9 Am I my brother’s keeper? Cain’s callous and deceptive response contrasts with Adam and Eve’s naive and evasive responses (3:10–13).

 

Carson, D. A. (Ed.). (2018). NIV Biblical Theology Study Bible (pp. 31–32). Grand Rapids, MI: Zondervan.

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NB.Mick | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Sep 18 2020 1:48 PM

Scott E. Mahle:
We certainly have different interpretations of "very different" 

maybe so. Look at a direct comparison between CSSB left and the new NIVSB right

this looks like a new edition (nearly same wording, same cross-references, some small changes, some additions) whereas Carson's is new text, of course sometimes elaborating the same idea and sometimes inspired by the notes in NIVSB. The front matter of NIVSB 2020 cites the older editions, whereas Carson's simply says "(C) 2018", which indicates to me that publisher Zondervan claims this is a new thing, whereas for NIVSB 2020 it claims it's another edition of the study bible started in 1985.

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