Wordsearch Moving to Logos Bible Software

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jtondee | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Sep 18 2020 4:36 PM

Years ago I dabbled with just about all of the PC based programs. I still have cds for Parson's sermon illustration/preaching software and the Greek and Hebrew tutor programs. About a year ago I tried to install them to see if i could get them to work on a modern pc. It was a herculean task that I was not suited for.

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Kevin A. Purcell | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Sep 18 2020 4:42 PM

Phil Gons (Faithlife):

David Thomas:
i'll join David Taylor in literally jumping as soon as LessonMaker questions are available as a Logos resource that I can copy to a Sermon Doc!

We did acquire all LessonMaker content and will be looking for the best way to bring it into Logos.

I would love to see this a special tool like a guide instead of just a book. Like a section in the Bible Study guide (Lesson Maker Questions section)

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Erik | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Sep 18 2020 4:45 PM

Most of my commentaries in Wordsearch were long ago duplicated in Logos as I migrated away from Wordsearch (and Quickverse before that).  One resource I didn't migrate was the MacArthur Commentaries.

Most of them seem to have ported into Logos today, but interestingly the most expensive ones in Logos didn't port (Matthew, Acts, Romans). Perhaps this is due to Logos bundling these and Wordsearch breaking them down individually. I'm not complaining, but it's quite funny that the most expensive resources didn't make the cut.

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Sep 18 2020 4:54 PM

Erik:
it's quite funny that the most expensive resources didn't make the cut.

They were likely the most expensive because they had extensive markup that now has to be converted. I would expect the resources to move over in rough relationship to the complexity of the tagging changes.

Orthodox Bishop Hilarion Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."

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Erik | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Sep 18 2020 5:09 PM

MJ. Smith:

Erik:
it's quite funny that the most expensive resources didn't make the cut.

They were likely the most expensive because they had extensive markup that now has to be converted. I would expect the resources to move over in rough relationship to the complexity of the tagging changes.

That certainly could be. Given that Logos has said they had to do this quickly, I wonder if the resources simply just didn't appear to be the same due to the way the two platforms packaged the materials. Either way, it's impressive that Logos has been able to tackle this with any degree of precision on such short notice. I'm sure it'll all work out down the road.

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jtondee:
How long should it take to consolidate accounts if they are tied to the same email address? I checked my wordsearch/lifeway account and it is the same email as my Logos/Faithlife. I don't see any of the resources as of yet.

I checked your account, but I don't see any Wordsearch licenses showing up. It looks like you should have some, so I'll bring this up with our tech team. It probably won't be able to be looked into until Monday morning, sorry.

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DAL | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Sep 18 2020 5:26 PM

WOOOOOHOOOOO!!! 

I just woke up from a long afternoon nap and I come to the forums to see this great announcement! I think I even joked about something like this months ago, but now it's a reality!

Welcome Preacher's Outline and Sermon Bible and other resources.  Jack Andrews , Gregory Brown, Gospel Advocate Commentaries and Burton James Coffman Commentaries and more! Wow, what awesome news!!!

In fact, checking my mobile app, I already have over 1,000 resources more.  There are some that might not show up since they are duplicates (Welwyn, Barnes, Clark, etc) but I hope all content gets converted to Logos like the coveted Thompson Chain Reference Bible which I own in WordSearch.

I have many other commentaries like Mattoon, Cantrell, Discovering Christ, Exalting Jesus, AND EXEGETICAL GUIDES TO THE GREEK NEW TESTAMENT SERIES!!!

This is awesome! Thank you, Faithlife for such great news and for making it easy to get our content into Logos!  I'm already seeing quite a few!

Amazing!

DAL

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Mark Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Sep 18 2020 6:21 PM

This is very good news for Logos users. I hope it will become good news for Wordsearch users as well. I suspect Lifeway at this point in their history just could not continue to put money into this product, so I am glad my favorite Bible study software company could buy it from them.

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John W Gillis | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Sep 18 2020 6:23 PM

I've been a Wordsearch user for almost 30 years (since 1991), and a Logos user since 2003, and I'm more or less happy to see this. It's not exactly how I expected Wordsearch to go out, but it's probably the best-case scenario, at least for someone in my position. It will be a welcome treat to have both libraries combined into the Logos platform - both for convenience and for the superiority of Logos ebooks and supporting technology. 

I started moving to Logos as my primary platform when Logos 4 came out (2009?), but still go to Wordsearch for certain things. Some are resources, so I trust those are either migrated or will be after development in Logos format, but I also use a few tools.

I often prefer the Wordsearch Parallel Bible tool in to the Logos Text Comparison tool, but mostly because I struggle with dynamically managing the versions under comparison. Mostly what set Wordsearch apart was its support for user-created content. I'm glad to see Logos stating plans to incorporate it, and will be very interested in that development.

Some things I don't see referenced on the Package Comparison page are Verse Lists, and the User Books that came over from QuickVerse. The WS Verse Lists are very different data objects than the Logos Passage Lists, in that they support dynamic versioning per entry, support the creation of multiple sections in the document, and support annotation of both sections (i.e. headers) and//or individual verses.

The User Books could ostensibly be converted to PPBs, assuming WS users got PPB functionality in their packages. However, Logos might want to think about providing similar tools that could act as templates for creating PPBs with the appropriate codes/tags baked into the resulting document, so that users wouldn't need to be conversant in PPB-speak to create anything beyond a basic document in PPB format. Creating a homemade commentary (or Bible) in PPB format today requires quite a bit of under-the-covers knowledge, and is rather tedious.This might be a good opportunity to build tools to help users create resources that are indexed by Headword (e.g. dictionaries), Date, or B-C-V.

Now I just need to request a refund for the $19 I spent on Renn's Dictionary yesterday before it shipped, since I liked it so much in Wordsearch that I thought I'd break down and pay for it again in Logos Surprise

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Joe Mayden | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Sep 18 2020 6:37 PM

Of my 600 plus resources roughly half of have been transferred.  Some specific examples are the Thompson Chain collection, the Phillips Translations NT, HCSB Cross Reference and many more.

Any ideas what they problem may be?

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Kolen Cheung | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Sep 18 2020 6:45 PM

Hi, I see that the Tozer collection is avaiable on Logos but is not in the list of WordSearch titles that will be migrated to logos later. So was it an oversight or does Logos has no plan to migrate our WordSearch Tozer collection license to Logos?

Thanks.

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Kolen Cheung | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Sep 18 2020 6:48 PM

Bradley Grainger (Faithlife):

jtondee:
How long should it take to consolidate accounts if they are tied to the same email address? I checked my wordsearch/lifeway account and it is the same email as my Logos/Faithlife. I don't see any of the resources as of yet.

I checked your account, but I don't see any Wordsearch licenses showing up. It looks like you should have some, so I'll bring this up with our tech team. It probably won't be able to be looked into until Monday morning, sorry.

Is there any way we can check which of our resources in Logos is coming from WordSearch license? Thanks.

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Kolen Cheung:

Is there any way we can check which of our resources in Logos is coming from WordSearch license? Thanks.

We don't have a page providing this information for individual users.

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Joe Mayden:

Of my 600 plus resources roughly half of have been transferred.  Some specific examples are the Thompson Chain collection, the Phillips Translations NT, HCSB Cross Reference and many more.

Any ideas what they problem may be?

Not all Wordsearch resources are available in Logos right away; some are still being converted.

See the FAQ for more: https://www.logos.com/wordsearch-faq#mybooks 

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Sep 18 2020 6:54 PM

Kolen Cheung:
the list of WordSearch titles that will be migrated to logos later.

The list is of resources to be migrated not of licenses to be migrated. If the resource is already in Logos there is no reason to migrate it; only the license needs to be migrated.

Orthodox Bishop Hilarion Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."

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Kolen Cheung | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Sep 18 2020 6:58 PM

It seems that my WordSearch resources is not merged to my Logos account. Could you help checking this for my account as well? Thanks.

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John W Gillis:
The WS Verse Lists are very different data objects than the Logos Passage Lists, in that they support dynamic versioning per entry, support the creation of multiple sections in the document, and support annotation of both sections (i.e. headers) and//or individual verses.

We're aware of this difference between Verse Lists and Passage Lists. The first round of importing your data may just be to bring over the references from the Verse List. If Logos Passage Lists have those features added in a future release, we could redo the import and upgrade your documents. But to begin with, they will have less functionality in Logos.

John W Gillis:
The User Books could ostensibly be converted to PPBs, assuming WS users got PPB functionality in their packages. However, Logos might want to think about providing similar tools that could act as templates for creating PPBs with the appropriate codes/tags

We will probably just bring these over as PBB source files that you can compile into Logos PBBs. Building equivalent resource creation functionality into Logos isn't on the roadmap right now.

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David Taylor Jr | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Sep 18 2020 7:16 PM

Phil Gons (Faithlife):

Erik DiVietro:

What happens after the semester?

We'll be moving all Wordsearch licenses for Liberty students over to Logos in the next year. Final timing is still TBD.

Phil what would be the best way to keep up with that process? There are a couple of books I have from Liberty in mywsb.com that are literally not available anywhere else (which drove me nuts as a student). I'm excited about having these in Logos finally!

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Kolen Cheung:

It seems that my WordSearch resources is not merged to my Logos account. Could you help checking this for my account as well? Thanks.

Your account is tagged as "merged from Wordsearch" but you have no licenses. We anticipate resolving this on Monday; thanks for your patience!

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David Taylor Jr:
Phil what would be the best way to keep up with that process? There are a couple of books I have from Liberty in mywsb.com that are literally not available anywhere else (which drove me nuts as a student). I'm excited about having these in Logos finally!

We'll probably end up posting an announcement (in the Wordsearch forum) when that's complete. You may also just notice those resources suddenly showing up one day. Smile 

I'm not sure that we have firm-enough plans to post more detailed updates on timing here regularly.

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