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JASON HINES | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Sep 20 2020 5:06 PM

There are so many features of WordSearch that I would love to see added to Logos.  I loved the Desktops feature, the Carousel, the Collections feature enabling more specific library searches, etc.  I also loved the search abilities: Cross-Reference Explorer, Instant Verse Study, Verse Explorer...WordSearch was GREAT!!  The User Interface may not have been as appealing as Logos, but WordSearch had a lot, I mean A LOT going for it.  I really do hope that LIfeway takes WordSearch seriously and implements the best of both worlds.  I look forward to seeing what will be done.

Jason

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SineNomine | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Sep 20 2020 5:09 PM

Welcome, Jason!

jason hines:
the Carousel, the Collections feature enabling more specific library searches, etc.

As noted earlier in this thread, Logos already has Carousel-equivalent functionality (called Parallel Resources), and it also has Collections.

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JASON HINES | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Sep 20 2020 5:13 PM

I just want to agree!!  Dated interface, but ever so practical.  I can live with a dated interface.  But state-of-the-art, up-to-date, "latest" "greatest" loses all of its appeal when it is not easy and practical.  I'd take "dated" over "new and improved" any day in that case.  I too will miss WordSearch.  Here's to hoping Logos puts together the best of both worlds!

Jason

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Nathan Parker | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Sep 20 2020 6:38 PM

The built-in web browser would be nice to bring over, but with a major upgrade.

The built-in web browser in Wordsearch was hopelessly outdated and based on IE. It didn't work on Mac.

I'd like to see something similar to what Accordance is doing with their web browser, but with one more major enhancement: bookmarks (or tie the built-in web browser to the Logos Favorites tool). The Accordance web browser doesn't offer bookmarks (I have to use User Tools, which is clunky).

Possibly do something based on Chromium so it works well across platforms and will remain up-to-date.

I would love to be able to search my school library and the other few websites I use inside a web browser window in Logos.

Nathan Parker

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Nathan Parker | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Sep 20 2020 11:17 PM

Also mentioned some here: https://community.logos.com/forums/p/193917/1117766.aspx#1117766

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Graham Criddle | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Sep 20 2020 11:53 PM

Hi Jason - and welcome to Logos and these forums.

Are you able to provide some details on functionality provided by the Collection Feature, Cross-Reference Explorer, Instant Verse Study, Verse Explorer?

If Logos does provide similar functionality we should be able to outline how it works

Graham

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David Paul | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Sep 21 2020 2:44 AM

jason hines:
Dated interface, but ever so practical.  I can live with a dated interface.  But state-of-the-art, up-to-date, "latest" "greatest" loses all of its appeal when it is not easy and practical.  I'd take "dated" over "new and improved" any day in that case.

My sentiments EXACTLY...except that instead of WS, I'm talking about Logos 3 aka Libronix. Logos (Current) can obviously do more, but L3 is superior in so many ways. I've had L4 thru L7 for the last decade plus, but I still find it impossible to do what I want easily or at all. More current versions of Logos are like thalidomide babies compared to L3--there's plenty they can do (usually with much greater effort being required than ought to be the case), while there are some things that simply can't be done at all. It's all quite criminal.

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cshover8669 | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Sep 21 2020 2:59 AM

I cannot find the exact place in the forum, but earlier someone was asking about the web browser. I just did a test. You can create a folder in your Logos Favorites and drag and drop any browser url's you would like access to straight from Logos. They will open directly from your favorites. Once you have them in your favorites, you can drag them to your shortcuts bar if you want even more immediate access to them. I keep a couple of websites I use often in both places so I have easy access to them. Thanks, Carla

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JASON HINES | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Sep 21 2020 9:35 AM

Thanks for your speedy response.  I guess I am too new to Logos to realize all of their features.  I am glad to know so many features carry over and I look forward to using them.

Jason

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JASON HINES | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Sep 21 2020 9:54 AM

Sure, I can provide some details on those features.  I got a response saying that Logos has the Collections feature.  It is called Parallel

something or rather.  I still have to look into it.  The Cross Reference Explorer was great because a search could be done through all

of your material based on where your books just use the Cross Reference.  For instance, you could actually search every time "John 3:16" is cited

throughout your books.  There you would find the context and comments which could benefit your study.

Instant Verse Explorer (I don't know how they do it!) puts together a quick "I'm in a hurry and need stuff fast" collection of  material for quick 

preparation.

Verse Explorer is different than the Cross Reference Explorer... though they sound the same.  Where Cross Reference Explorer searches 

through your books for a Bible reference, The Verse Explorer feature breaks down a verse and gives you matching material on each part 

of the verse.  Brilliant!!  So, for example, a study on John 3:16 you would find material from your books on "God" "love" "world" "giving" 

"Son" "eternal" "eternal life" etc.  What a great tool!

I would be thrilled to see all of these work in Logos just as effectively as they did in Word Search.

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Graham Criddle | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Sep 21 2020 10:38 AM

Thanks Jason

JASON HINES:

I got a response saying that Logos has the Collections feature.  It is called Parallel

something or rather.  I still have to look into it.

Logos has Collections - https://wiki.logos.com/Collections and Parallel Resources - https://wiki.logos.com/Parallel_Resources 

They are different - although Collections can appear in the list of Parallel Resources - so worth looking at both of them and seeing what they provide

JASON HINES:

The Cross Reference Explorer was great because a search could be done through all

of your material based on where your books just use the Cross Reference.  For instance, you could actually search every time "John 3:16" is cited

throughout your books.  There you would find the context and comments which could benefit your study.

This can be done using a Milestone search in Logos

JASON HINES:

Instant Verse Explorer (I don't know how they do it!) puts together a quick "I'm in a hurry and need stuff fast" collection of  material for quick 

preparation.

This sounds a bit like the Logos Passage Guide - https://wiki.logos.com/Passage_Guide 

JASON HINES:

The Verse Explorer feature breaks down a verse and gives you matching material on each part 

of the verse.  Brilliant!!  So, for example, a study on John 3:16 you would find material from your books on "God" "love" "world" "giving" 

"Son" "eternal" "eternal life" etc.

It might be worth looking at the Topics section of the Passage Guide - although it only accesses a few number of resources.

Hope this helps a bit

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Mark Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Sep 21 2020 11:44 AM

JASON HINES:

The Cross Reference Explorer was great because a search could be done through all

of your material based on where your books just use the Cross Reference.

Graham's approach will work. Logos has a tool called "Cited by" that works very much like the Cross Reference Explorer. You can find it under the Tools Menu. You can enter a reference and choose to have it search a collection, all of your resources, or a subset of them. Give it a try.

JASON HINES:

The Verse Explorer feature breaks down a verse and gives you matching material on each part 

of the verse. 

Logos does not have anything like this. You can right click on any word you are interested in and get the option to look that word up in a number of your resources, but that is one at a time. In my way of working with the text I'd find Verse Explorer gives me a lot of information I don't need. In your example there are a bunch of words I wouldn't need to look up, however, maybe 'loved', 'the world', 'only begotten', 'believe' and 'eternal life' would be of interest. So I can take a little more time and just focus on the few words of interest to me without having to look through a lot of words that are of no interest.

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Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :) | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Sep 21 2020 4:01 PM

JASON HINES:

Verse Explorer is different than the Cross Reference Explorer... though they sound the same.  Where Cross Reference Explorer searches  through your books for a Bible reference, The Verse Explorer feature breaks down a verse and gives you matching material on each part of the verse.  Brilliant!!  So, for example, a study on John 3:16 you would find material from your books on "God" "love" "world" "giving" "Son" "eternal" "eternal life" etc.  What a great tool!

Verse Explorer description reminds me of Word by Word Guide plus Exegetical Guide includes lots of material:

Word by Word of John 3:16 for Verbs, Nouns, and Adjectives shows: "loved", "God", "world", "Son", "one and only", "He gave",  ...

Word by Word has Settings option appear for mouse hover so can choose what speech part(s) to appear:

Graham Criddle:

JASON HINES:

The Cross Reference Explorer was great because a search could be done through all of your material based on where your books just use the Cross Reference.  For instance, you could actually search every time "John 3:16" is cited throughout your books.  There you would find the context and comments which could benefit your study.

This can be done using a Milestone search in Logos

Screen shot by Graham Criddle shows searching for Bible reference: <jn 3:16> that could be <jn3.16>

Milestone search {Milestone <jn3.16>} looks for Bible Milestone in resources having Bible verse indexing: e.g. Bibles and Commentaries

Milestone search can be refined to find word(s) within Bible Milestone: e.g. begotten WITHIN {Milestone <jn3.16>}

Application Help includes Bible Book abbreviations:

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Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :) | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Sep 22 2020 11:54 AM

jason hines:
I loved the Desktops feature,

Thread => Wordsearch-Logos Equivalent Features shows

  • Desktop equivalent is Layouts

Faithlife has two desktop applications: Logos and Verbum that are substantially similar. Each Application has Help:

jason hines:
I also loved the search abilities:

Screen shot(s) showing your favorite search(es) and results would allow others the opportunity to replicate using Logos and/or Verbum.

Thankful for Faithlife Corporation creating a Logos Wiki that has release notes from Faithlife while remaining content is user created and maintained, which includes => Search HELP along with links to Faithlife Help Center (Support) articles: LT Search + VT Search

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Larry Turner | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Sep 22 2020 4:33 PM

I have used wordsearch for many years. I have always loved it's ease of use. That includes Zipscript. But other features were very easy to use  such as clicking  on my library and all of my resources are listed. Now I have not had a chance to dig into Logos yet so these things may be there and I see as I use it more.

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Mark Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Sep 22 2020 5:08 PM

Larry, welcome to the Logos forums.

You might be interested in the information on what Logos features line up with Wordsearch features found in this thread: https://community.logos.com/forums/t/193917.aspx 

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Jesse Blevins | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Sep 22 2020 7:08 PM

I would really like to see the instant verse study feature of Wordsearch added to Logos. 

It goes through the books that you indicate and gathers material on the Scripture that you choose and then makes it into a document that can be pasted into your word processor. 

In my opinion this is what a true research assistance does. It does not just look up the information but also places it into a nice, readable document. 

You can then do such things with the document as make it into a kindle book to read on your e-reader or amazon device.

You can also turn it into a Logos personal book and then make a note file based on it and further funnel down to the most useful material for your research. 

Many people would like to see the send document feature to kindle restored but it looks like that will never be done.

Instant verse study is a nice option that helps you get one step closer to turning your research material into a kindle document.  

Jesse 

 

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Kevin A. Purcell | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Sep 23 2020 9:06 AM

While I’ve used Logos more than WORDsearch over the last number of years, I do still miss a couple things.

1. The library feature in WS which shows up along the left like a Windows Explorer or MacOS Finder window. I know I could drag the library from the menu to the left, but that folder like organization is so simple and missed greatly.

2. ZipScript was so good because I could fire it up and initiate inserting the Bible anywhere in Windows with first going to WS. With Copy Bible Verse feature in Logos you get more customization but this simple feature made ZipScript better for simple quick insertion of Bible passages. I’d love Logos to create something or create the tools to make it possible for a 3rd party programer to do it.

3. I forgot how much I liked having the current live Bible verse highlighted until saw someone above mention it.

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John Patterson | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Sep 23 2020 9:08 AM

Kevin A. Purcell:

3. I forgot how much I liked having the current live Bible verse highlighted until saw someone above mention it.

Me too.

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Justin Gatlin | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Sep 23 2020 10:42 AM

The Flanary's:

I've adjusted the "style" formats and it still seems to require constant reformatting. Adding the "1900" to "KJV" is completely unnecessary and almost every option includes the "1900".
Jude 1:20-21 (KJV) 20 But ye, beloved, building up yourselves on your most holy faith, praying in the Holy Ghost, 21  Keep yourselves in the love of God, looking for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ unto eternal life.

KJV 1900 is just the short name of the translation in Logos. You can change it. 

Go to the Info pane (CTRL/CMD+Shift+I). Click the little pencil next to KJV 1900 and change it to just KJV. Viola!

On copy Bible Verse, go to "Create New Style" and paste this in: 

%NoFootnotes
%NoCitation

=Header
<p><b>[FullPassageRef] ([Version]): </b>
=ForEachVerse
<sup>[VerseNum]</sup>[VerseText]
=Footer
</p>

That gives me: 

Jude 20–21 (KJV): 20But ye, beloved, building up yourselves on your most holy faith, praying in the Holy Ghost, 21keep yourselves in the love of God, looking for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ unto eternal life.

If you want a space between the verse numbers and the verses, just use this instead:

%NoFootnotes
%NoCitation

=Header
<p><b>[FullPassageRef] ([Version]): </b> 
=ForEachVerse
<sup>[VerseNum]</sup> [VerseText] 
=Footer
</p>

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