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Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :) | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Sep 22 2020 11:11 AM

Kathleen:

I am going to miss the sermon/illustration organizer.  That was an extremely valuable resource to me in WordsearchBible!

Please elaborate what was valuable, ideally with some screen shot(s) showing content with usage description. Logos Wiki has => Screenshot

Also curious what could be improved about Sermon Illustration Manager ? Would a radial calendar be helpful for organizing sermon illustration usage ?

Thread => Wordsearch-Logos Equivalent Features does not list a Logos equivalent for Sermon Illustration Manager

FYI: personally lack WS experience since choosing Logos to be be my primary Bible software over a decade ago.

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Mark Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Sep 22 2020 11:19 AM

Kathleen:
I am going to miss the sermon/illustration organizer.

Faithlife is interested in the features you most like in Wordsearch. They started a thread for this. You might post your concern/interest there. https://community.logos.com/forums/t/193813.aspx 

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Wilson Lim | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Sep 24 2020 6:53 PM

With the comparison chart attach, it does not distinguish which functionality level of Logos is involved.  So the starter version - will it have all those features?  Otherwise it is hard to compare WS with the different levels of Logos??

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Mark Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Sep 24 2020 7:11 PM

Wilson Lim:

With the comparison chart attach, it does not distinguish which functionality level of Logos is involved.  So the starter version - will it have all those features?  Otherwise it is hard to compare WS with the different levels of Logos??

Hi Wilson, welcome to the Forums. Every WS user will get a set of features and datasets depending on their level of Wordsearch. This group of features is not identical to any group found in a Feature Set or in a base package. It's a hybrid meant to meet the immediate needs of WS users.

If you have them already you can go to the Full Feature Set Chart and it will tell you exactly what you already own and what you lack. 

If you go to the comparison view of the three feature sets and check the box "Hide features I own" you can see which new features you'd acquire with all three levels of feature upgrades.

You can also look at any base package, such as Logos Standard Starter and scroll down to the list of features and see which ones you own and which ones you'd get by buying Standard Starter.

Is this the sort of information you are looking for?

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Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :) | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Sep 24 2020 8:06 PM

Andrew Batishko (Faithlife):

Check here for a comparison of different packages: https://www.logos.com/compare-packages

Feature Set Comparison => https://www.logos.com/compare/featuresets lacks subset of Logos 8 Starter Feature Upgrade in Logos 8 Fundamentals

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Ricky Daugherty | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Sep 25 2020 8:52 PM

I see a lot of discussion here about what WORDSearch users get in Logos, but the discussing has so many aspects to it, seems a bit confusing.

I see mention one can view the Full Feature Set Chart to see what the have there and what they do not, but for me that would not be helpful.

What I would like to know is not the resources we received with Logos, but which feature level we received.   Did we only receive the Logos 8 Basic Features or did we get more?

I recently about a month ago went on a payment plan for the Logos 8 Full Features upgrade, so if I went to that chart now, because I am currently paying for that it would have everything checked.   So I was wondering how much of the Features Upgrade I am making payments on was granted free with the migration from WORDSearch to Logos, or if all we received was the Basic Features and none of what I am making payments on in the Full Features upgrade was included with our Migration.

Hoping a Logos staff can clarify that aspect concerning the Features Upgrade and what was included in our Merger?

Thanks for any help to understand this.

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Wilson Lim | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Sep 26 2020 12:16 AM

Ricky,   Mark Smith's reply to me above where he provided a link to the Full Feature Set Chart has the answers.  If you look acrefully it has BOTH resources and features sets.

Hope this helps.

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Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :) | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Sep 26 2020 6:18 AM

Ricky Daugherty:
Hoping a Logos staff can clarify that aspect concerning the Features Upgrade and what was included in our Merger?

Suggestion is contacting Customer Service to inquire if Logos 8 Full Feature upgrade would have dynamic pricing discount from Wordsearch acquisition => https://www.logos.com/contact Also Wordsearch FAQ => https://www.logos.com/wordsearch-faq has Customer Service phone number and email near top of the page.

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Ricky Daugherty | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Sep 26 2020 8:08 AM

I already explained above that a link to the Full Features Upgrade will not work for me because I am already on a Payment Plan for that so it says I have that all, and not because it came from WORDSearch Merger, but because I am paying for it.   If my payment plan says I now have all those features, it does not inform me which if any came from that Merger.   That being said, dynamic pricing will not work, since I am already on a payment plan for that from just before the Merger, and not heard that any dynamic pricing is retroactive, since the plan started about a month ago.

I read Mark Smith saying, "Every WS user will get a set of features and datasets depending on their level of Wordsearch." But his answer does not say which ones I might receive since they are dynamic, an to discover which ones were added required going to that link which was dependent on not already having that all and then you could see the difference before purchasing that upgrade, which will not work for me since I am paying for that plan now.

I already have way over 8,000 resources in Logos from earlier versions right now, but just wanted to know about which features came with the WORDSearch to Logos merger that said we would get Logos free, and since Logos Basic was already free, and I already had Logos, just asking about those features that came with the Merger, if any, of if the original post title above is correct that WORDSearch Users only received Logos 8 Basic.  Not yet heard a clear answer on that here, and all posts seems to be side stepping that actual question (Logos 8 Basic or something more).  If as Mark Smith said it was a hybrid upgrade, sounds like something more, but what is not clear, especially in my case.

My question to Logos staff was if any of that Features Upgrade I am paying for was already included in that WORDSearch Merger, and wondering if I am paying for any of the Features that were granted free with the WORDSearch Merger into Logos?    I do not yet see that answer here.

But thanks for being willing to help, even though it was the wrong help, as explained in my original post.

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Kristine Lewis | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Sep 26 2020 9:19 AM

In another thread https://community.logos.com/forums/p/194015/1119071.aspx#1119071 corncerning features received with coming in as Wordsearch users, I got this link and answer.  I already owned all the specific Logos features in the first column except Theology Guide, which is a part of the Full Feature set.  Now I own the Theology Guide since my WS resource licenses were imported.  I noticed that this new ownership of the Theology Guide reduced my Dynamic Price for the Full Feature Upgrade by a small amount.  I hope this is helpful.

SineNomine | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu Sep 24, 2020 7:47 AM
 Kristine Lewis: I am curious if I will own the Logos exclusive features with green checkmarks in the first column once my Wordsearch titles are unlocked, or if Logos features equivalent to my Wordsearch 12 are simply being pointed out in case I wanted to purchase them.  For instance, the Theology Guide is part of the Full Feature Set, which I do not own. https://files.logoscdn.com/v1/files/45561287/content.pdf?signature=B7M_mhfLktiAHHtsu8A5fek3BDg

Once your licensing stuff is done, you'll receive all the features in the appropriate column.

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Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :) | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Sep 26 2020 5:21 PM

Ricky Daugherty:
I read Mark Smith saying, "Every WS user will get a set of features and datasets depending on their level of Wordsearch." But his answer does not say which ones I might receive since they are dynamic, an to discover which ones were added required going to that link which was dependent on not already having that all and then you could see the difference before purchasing that upgrade, which will not work for me since I am paying for that plan now.

Mark Smith and myself are Forum MVP's (Many Volunteer Posts) with rusty stars under our avatars, who do not have access to customer information. Hence my earlier suggestion to contact Faithlife customer service about Full Feature Upgrade price question, which may reduce amount owed on payment plan by not paying for feature(s) that would have been included with WordSearch migration.

Earlier in this thread is a reply by Andrew Batishko (Faithlife) who is a Faithlife employee with green logo under his avatar.

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Ricky Daugherty | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Sep 26 2020 5:53 PM

While I do appreciate the advice to call Customer Service and they might be able to reduce the Features Upgrade I am paying for, it still does not answer my question.

I also appreciate the fact that you may not have access to individual customer information to address my specific cercumstance, and the fact that the included features would vary to match which ever package we had in WORDSearch, but that still does not answer the question that not only I but others might wish to know.  In other words a generic reply that can fit multiple users with different WORDSearch packages to start with.

To refer me to Customer Service, sounds like they need the software that can analyze what we had to determine what we get, so that a real person is unable to answer that here.

Rather than a specific answer for an individual person, how about a generic breakdown of which WORDSearch packages equated to which features which would be granted in Logos, a table that if you had this you get that, or if you had the other you get this, etc. so we can figure out our self what we should get, rather than waiting for some software algorithm to tell us what we get.  If a software algorithm determines what we received based on what we had, a programmer/analyst had to apply that algorithm to to software so that it will compute what we received based on what we had, therefore that formula could be shared here so we can get an idea our self what to expect.  When I say algorithm I mean what rules determines who gets what in the conversion.  Like that table I suggested above.

In other words, please make it simple for us to understand.  Meanwhile, Monday I will do as suggested and contact Customer Service, but others I have talked to would like to know the same information even if their package varies from mine, ergo my question here so others can read the results and why a generic answer that can apply to all the groups interested.

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Ricky Daugherty:
In other words, please make it simple for us to understand

It's not entirely clear to me whether or not this answers your question, but I hope this helps.

The Wordsearch FAQ ( https://www.logos.com/wordsearch-faq ) has a link to a PDF that shows which Logos features will be unlocked for various Wordsearch owners. https://files.logoscdn.com/v1/files/45561287/content.pdf?signature=B7M_mhfLktiAHHtsu8A5fek3BDg

This information in conjunction with the feature comparison table will show whether or not there is any overlap with the feature set that you have already purchased (Make sure that "Hide features I own" is not checked). https://www.logos.com/compare/featuresets

Depending on how long it's been since you purchased your feature set, it might be worth taking advantage our the 30 day money-back guarantee to return your feature set and then repurchase it again to take advantage of the features you received for free. Check out "What is Faithlife’s return policy?" here: https://www.logos.com/faq

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Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :) | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Sep 26 2020 6:45 PM

Andrew Batishko (Faithlife):
The Wordsearch FAQ ( https://www.logos.com/wordsearch-faq ) has a link to a PDF that shows which Logos features will be unlocked for various Wordsearch owners. https://files.logoscdn.com/v1/files/45561287/content.pdf?signature=B7M_mhfLktiAHHtsu8A5fek3BDg

Logos Exclusive Features looks like a subset of Logos 8 Fundamentals plus Bible Outline Browser (Bronze) and Theology Guide (Full)

Apologies for me lacking Wordsearch experience so lack confidence about feature equivalence. Appears to be Logos 8 Basic plus some more: Multiview Resources (Fundamentals), Morphology Charts (Bronze), Sermon Editor (Full for WS 12 Enhanced Sermon Building)

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Ricky Daugherty | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Sep 28 2020 10:19 AM

O.K. Talked to Customer Service as I said I would.   I also previously had the comparison chart posted above, which was not much help, because when it got to the Logos Exclusive Features listed at the bottom of that chart above, it failed to compare those Features to the Full Features Upgrade set to see what if any of those were included in that Full Features Set.

I do have WORDSearch 12, so the left column applied to me.   However, when I read that list of 12 Logos Exclusive Features to the Customer Service Representative, she informed me that all 12 of those features are part of the Logos Basic which everyone gets for free, so their is nothing to dynamic price with the Full Features Upgrade set.  I am not paying for any of that, because I had that with my Free Logos 8 Basic already.

Who ever made that chart, while still minimally helpful, it would have been more helpful as a real comparison when placed side by side with the Full Features Upgrade Set to make it clear those features are the Free Logos Basic Features (according to Logos customer service).

When Mark Smith suggested looking at the Full Features Upgrade Set to see what the software says was included via dynamic pricing, that was a good suggestion for those who had not already purchased that as I recently did, so for me the suggested information was no longer available.   But for those who had not yet upgraded, that was the best answer I saw, but could not help me.

I was an Information Systems Programmer/Analyst Specialist (CIS-3) for 18 years, so I understand what meaningful information would be, and I recommend that chart be upgraded as suggested above to be more meaningful and more useful to those who are still uninformed, but do admit that was a very good start, but there is room for improvement--if anyone is listening and able to pass that information to those who were authorized to upgrade that chart.

I realize features (data sets) are different than book resources which my Full Features Upgrade also included some of, but I was asking about Features, so with regard to simply Features, the original Question that started this post is Yes, we only get Logos Basic Features, but that may not be true concerning any book Resources we might have received from Logos that was not in WORDSearch, and not read that answer above.  But for features we get Logos Basic!

Thanks for all the feedback to my inquiry above, and hope this helps for others with the same question.

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Robert Paul McCloud | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Oct 12 2020 9:29 AM

Just an observation. I was a WS owner for many years (back to version 5), and also had QuickVerse. A number of years ago, I purchased Logos 7 Basic because I wanted a number of theology books not available in WS. I am a bit confused over the statement that "levels" don't really mean anything in Logos, and I'm not sure I agree. As far as I understand it (and have been told), Logos' strength is its datasets, which can be very expensive to add to your existing package (in our case, Basic). That's why for years I couldn't sink money into Logos. Logos is not really geared for laypersons who have limited funds, and for many years WordSearch WAS (although in later years things got more expensive). Levels - Starter, Bronze, Silver, etc - don't just add books, they add datasets that in reality add functionality. Currently, I am running Logos 8 Basic with my Logos 7 Basic library and datasets, plus the added WS books I had, thanks to the switchover. If I want to, I can purchase some datasets (not cheap), or I can "upgrade" to Logos 8 Starter for about 91 dollars. Starter really doesn't add much to the overall package to make it worthwhile. It didn't before the acquisition of WS, and it doesn't now. I'm not even sure Bronze would, and it costs more. Yes, I can do a lot of Bible study and research with what I have, but in order to really "fly" with Logos, it's going to take a lot, lot more then Starter of Bronze. And lets be honest, the website does encourage us to upgrade with it's "this is the best upgrade for you", which generally tends to be Silver or higher with a significant price tag.

Now understand, I don't want to take away the generosity of Logos in allowing us WordSEARCH users to switch over to Logos 8, but, Logos, you got something out of it too. WordSEARCH books that you previously didn't have a license for, and a slew of new customers who are finding that Logos is now the only game in town. And for those WS users who did far more then just personal Bible study - who were prepping for sermons for example -  Basic with its limited datasets is probably not going to be enough for them, because the Basic package does not have the sermon and language helps. Hence, they're going to have to decide if the need to spend more money on it. And as far as giving WS customers Logos 8 Basic and their library books, I would ask did WordSearch require Logos to do that as part of the deal?

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Denise | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Oct 12 2020 10:20 AM

Robert Paul McCloud:
the Basic package does not have the sermon and language helps. Hence, they're going to have to decide if the need to spend more money on it.

Not disagreeing; just chatting. Our church abides by the Biblical prohibition of metalic displays ...silver, gold, and platinum (also bronze, but not pearls). And so, my Logos has the full 'power' of features, but no metallic collections (joking about the reason).

But looking back, and looking at actual usage (almost totally OL), I think I've rarely used much beyond 'Basic'. Never needed/wanted the RIs, tools, etc. Did absolutely need the CitedBys, Text Compares, right-click morphs, multiviews, etc ... I think all Basic? Now, true, I have a large OL library that cost more than our Electric Wonder car. Worth ever (copper) penney.

I guess, depends. 

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Mike Binks | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Oct 13 2020 12:31 AM

Robert Paul McCloud:
Yes, I can do a lot of Bible study and research with what I have, but in order to really "fly" with Logos, it's going to take a lot, lot more then Starter of Bronze. And lets be honest, the website does encourage us to upgrade with it's "this is the best upgrade for you", which generally tends to be Silver or higher with a significant price tag.

I find that Faithlife Connect works for me.

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