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Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :) | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Oct 29 2020 7:00 AM

Created another item for Vote/Comment => Commentary Guides: Add all milestones in Commentary resource

A number of commentaries have more than one section for a Biblical passage.

An example is a Passage Guide for Philippians 4:4-9 including links to all articles found by Search {Milestone <Pp4.4-9>}

Andreas Mueller:
You can see the full and abbreviated title by hovering your mouse on the little book cover icon in the Commentary Guide.

Thanks Big Smile helped me learn full customized Commentary Title appears on hovering mouse on book cover icon while hovering mouse on rest of the line shows pop-up that has abbreviated title in lower right. Also learned when a series has more than one volume, the volumes are in chronological order from oldest to newest since my custom titles begin with content year (can be much earlier than publication date for older resources).

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Kyle G. Anderson | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Oct 29 2020 9:49 AM

I know this is buried but I wanted to give a quick update on the labeling of a Commentary by  Commentary Type, Author Denomination, and Era.

We have approximately 7000 Bible Commentaries in the English language.

About 6700 have been annotated with Era. (The remaining 300 are almost all WordSearch titles that just got flipped from a Monograph to a Commentary)

About 6000 have been identified with Commentary Type. (Like era, of the remaining 1000 commentaries about 300 of those are WordSearch titles that just got flipped from a Monograph to a Bible Commentary.)

About 3000 have been identified with an Author Denomination. Our strategy was to identify commentary sets sold in Standard and Denominational base packages and/or Commentary series we sell that are significant enough that the SBL style guide gave them their own standard abbreviation. On this there are certain authors we don't have information for yet or the information we do have doesn't yet fit in our schema.

We're in the process of updating the remainder of the commentaries (and non-English commentaries as well). On your end this will be a silent update and you should quietly notice more commentaries being labeled under categories.

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Graham Criddle | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Oct 29 2020 9:56 AM

Thanks for the update Kyle - really helpful

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BillS | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Oct 29 2020 10:53 AM

Daniel Di Bartolo:
Description: Identify your commentaries at a glance with book covers, series abbreviations, and authors. Sort by default, series, or author; or group by Type of commentary, Era in which it was written, or Denomination of the author.

I've been using the Passage Guide for years, & its new Commentaries section looks to be almost identical to the Commentaries Guide.

Are they different? Do I need to explore the new tool separately for some reason?

Thanks for clarifying...

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PL | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Oct 29 2020 10:54 AM

Thank you Kyle! That is such encouraging news!

- For the Era, any chance Modern and Contemporary be broken down by centuries?

- For the Type, can all Study Bibles be grouped under its own type?

If an entry needs to be submitted on the Feedback Board, let me know.

Thanks!

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Kyle G. Anderson | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Oct 29 2020 11:14 AM

PL:

- For the Era, any chance Modern and Contemporary be broken down by centuries?

Good suggestion. I'm struggling with these a bit. Right now there are so many in each category that it's not as helpful as it could be. Figuring out a rubric to narrow it down further would be helpful.

PL:

- For the Type, can all Study Bibles be grouped under its own type?

This is in the works. I'm not sure when it will be released but we're planning on tweaking the categories further. Notes and Study Bibles are planned to be identified as their own category.

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Seamus Delion - HAHA | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Oct 29 2020 11:15 AM

Why are 75% of my commentaries in this unnamed category?  I own L8 Reformed Silver - L8 standard Silver and L8 Baptist bronze  - and I bought whole commentary sets like The MacArthur NT Commentary (33 Vols) and others, yet they are uncategorized in here and so It does not make sense. 

Sorry for the small picture, I tried to show as much as I could, as I have over 300 Commentaries. 

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Kyle G. Anderson | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Oct 29 2020 11:33 AM

James Matthew Johnson:
Why are 75% of my commentaries in this unnamed category?  I own L8 Reformed Silver - L8 standard Silver and L8 Baptist bronze  - and I bought whole commentary sets like The MacArthur NT Commentary (33 Vols) and others, yet they are uncategorized in here and so It does not make sense.

It's a mix of a few things. A quick scan of your uncategorized has a few causes:

  • We've gathered info on thousands of authors. There are some we still don't have info for them yet. As we're going through the annotation process we're making notes of uncategorized authors and will be working to assign them denominations.
  • Some info we have we're not able to categorize as a denomination yet. "Evangelical" and "Dispensationalist" are the most common scenarios in that situation.
  • Some just haven't been evaluated yet.
  • Some don't really belong an in any category (FSB) is an example.

Again, we've annotated about 3000/7000 and are working through the rest.

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PL | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Oct 29 2020 3:49 PM

Kyle G. Anderson:
Notes and Study Bibles are planned to be identified as their own category.

What's the difference between the two? Can you give some examples of "Notes"?

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Sean Boisen | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Oct 29 2020 4:10 PM

PL:

PL:

I agree! This is a huge timesaver that will save me from unnecessarily clicking through many of the commentaries that happen to be in my library.

I strongly urge Faithlife to complete tagging of the commentaries, especially the Type and Era taggings. Is there any way we can help expedite this tagging process? Can we help fill out a spreadsheet to speed up the process?

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@Sean (or whoever is responsible for this work), can you please prioritize and see to it that many more commentaries are tagged for the revamped Commentaries section in the Passage Guide?

We're actively adding denominational associations for more authors, and annotating more commentaries with those associations. 

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Sean Boisen | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Oct 29 2020 4:14 PM

BillS:

Daniel Di Bartolo:
Description: Identify your commentaries at a glance with book covers, series abbreviations, and authors. Sort by default, series, or author; or group by Type of commentary, Era in which it was written, or Denomination of the author.

I've been using the Passage Guide for years, & its new Commentaries section looks to be almost identical to the Commentaries Guide.

Are they different? Do I need to explore the new tool separately for some reason?

Thanks for clarifying...

The Commentaries Guide is just the Commentaries section of the Passage Guide, exposed in its own panel. They're not different. 

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Dave Hooton | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Oct 29 2020 5:09 PM

Eli Evans (Faithlife):

André Kamphuis:
Can someone explain to me what drives how the commentary titles appear in the new guides?

Sure! It uses (in order):

  • Series abbreviation (new metadata added to commentary resources);
  • OR Series title
  • OR Resource abbreviation (if no series, eg, single-volume commentaries)
  • OR Resource title

We are judicious in coming up with series abbreviations, following the SBL style guide for the most part (iirc). 

Shouldn't it be:

  • User Series title
  • OR Series abbreviation (new metadata added to commentary resources);
  • OR Series title
  • OR Resource abbreviation (if no series, eg, single-volume commentaries)
  • OR Resource title

where a User created series title trumps all?

User Resource abbrev or User Resource title don't affect the above, but one has to know that many titles are not given an abbreviation (Short title in resource Info).

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Eli Evans (Faithlife) | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Oct 29 2020 5:34 PM

Dave Hooton:

Shouldn't it be:

  • User Series title
  • OR Series abbreviation (new metadata added to commentary resources);
  • OR Series title
  • OR Resource abbreviation (if no series, eg, single-volume commentaries)
  • OR Resource title

where a User created series title trumps all?

I reckon that's in with "Series title" now, but I see your point. I'll bring it up at the next meeting.

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SineNomine | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Oct 29 2020 6:28 PM

Eli Evans (Faithlife):

Dave Hooton:

Shouldn't it be:

  • User Series title
  • OR Series abbreviation (new metadata added to commentary resources);
  • OR Series title
  • OR Resource abbreviation (if no series, eg, single-volume commentaries)
  • OR Resource title

where a User created series title trumps all?

I reckon that's in with "Series title" now, but I see your point. I'll bring it up at the next meeting.

If user-created series trumps series abbreviation, then I will no longer urgently desire user-editable series abbreviations ( https://feedback.faithlife.com/boards/logos-desktop-app/posts/842 ).

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Dave Hooton | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Oct 29 2020 10:08 PM

Eli Evans (Faithlife):

Dave Hooton:

Shouldn't it be:

  • User Series title
  • OR Series abbreviation (new metadata added to commentary resources);
  • OR Series title
  • OR Resource abbreviation (if no series, eg, single-volume commentaries)
  • OR Resource title

where a User created series title trumps all?

I reckon that's in with "Series title" now, but I see your point. I'll bring it up at the next meeting.

It wasn't a suggestion. I was aware it worked that way for Commentary Series, but I also validated that with a one-volume commentary. The User Series was also preferred to an Abbrev title.

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Eli Evans (Faithlife) | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Oct 29 2020 10:33 PM

Ah, my mistake. Carry on! 

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Dave Hooton | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Oct 29 2020 10:50 PM

Eli Evans (Faithlife):

Ah, my mistake. Carry on! 

I was suggesting you had omitted one case.

Just agree that the order of evaluation is

  • User Series title
  • OR Series abbreviation (new metadata added to commentary resources);
  • OR Series title
  • OR Resource abbreviation (if no series, eg, single-volume commentaries)
  • OR Resource title

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Eli Evans (Faithlife) | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Oct 30 2020 12:43 AM

I concur. :D

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SineNomine | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Oct 30 2020 10:51 AM

Dave Hooton:

Just agree that the order of evaluation is

  • User Series title
  • OR Series abbreviation (new metadata added to commentary resources);
  • OR Series title
  • OR Resource abbreviation (if no series, eg, single-volume commentaries)
  • OR Resource title

Oh good. I'm glad that that's how it works now. Time to go edit some more commentary series in my library.

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BillS | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Oct 30 2020 11:11 AM

Sean Boisen:
The Commentaries Guide is just the Commentaries section of the Passage Guide, exposed in its own panel. They're not different.

Thank you!

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