New in Logos 9: Commentaries guide section redesign

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Kolen Cheung | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Oct 30 2020 10:43 PM

I wonder how era is classified?

E.g. I don't understand why this resource https://www.logos.com/product/2190/a-textual-commentary-on-the-greek-new-testament is classified as Modern (1700-1959).

Thanks.

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Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :) | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Oct 30 2020 11:18 PM

Kolen Cheung:
I wonder how era is classified?

Seem to remember era corresponds to year:

ante-nicene (AD 100-325)

nicene (AD 326-451)

byzantine (AD 452-1054)

medieval (AD 1055-1516)

reformation (AD 1517-1699)

modern (AD 1700-1959)

contemporary (AD 1960-present)

Kolen Cheung:
E.g. I don't understand why this resource https://www.logos.com/product/2190/a-textual-commentary-on-the-greek-new-testament is classified as Modern (1700-1959).

Concur since publication date of 1994 for second edition and 1970 for first edition should be contemporary.

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Kolen Cheung | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Oct 30 2020 11:53 PM

Probably it is a bug. Because it is showing as modern in my end.

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Sean Boisen | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Oct 31 2020 5:37 AM

Kolen Cheung:

Probably it is a bug. Because it is showing as modern in my end.

Thanks, i've reported this issue. 

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Kolen Cheung | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Oct 31 2020 2:35 PM

Sean Boisen:
Thanks, i've reported this issue. 

Thanks.

In other context one can right click and select "report typo" for problem like this. But in the Passage Guide, there seems to be no way to right click and "report typo". If that is implemented, may be it will be more efficient to report these problems and hence improve the quality of the tagging.

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Kolen Cheung | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Oct 31 2020 3:03 PM

Also, another potential bug report: NTTTC is classified as Exegetical but probably should be Apparatus?

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Josh Moore | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Nov 16 2020 12:59 PM

Is there a way to access the commentary grouping tags for collections?

It would be nice to be able to refine searches (especially mobile) to commentaries based on type or era. 

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Dave Hooton | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Nov 16 2020 3:19 PM

Josh Moore:

Is there a way to access the commentary grouping tags for collections?

It would be nice to be able to refine searches (especially mobile) to commentaries based on type or era. 

Within Passage Guide (or other guides), the Commentaries section provides these as options, but they don't align with resource metadata available to Collections. The Publication Date (pubdate) is close, but will not provide the same era as the Commentaries section e.g. the K&D Old Testament is a revised 1996 publication of a product originally published 1866-1891. era is based on the latter.

You might want to campaign for this on Faithlife Feedback

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PL | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Nov 29 2020 5:28 PM

Will these changes (sorting commentaries by various criteria; revamping the commentary displayed names) be coming to Logos 9 Mobile soon?

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Paul Felix | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jun 14 2022 7:26 AM

Is it possible to list commentaries by "ascending" or "descending" dates, and not simply within an era?

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Dave Hooton | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jun 16 2022 7:28 PM

Paul Felix:

Is it possible to list commentaries by "ascending" or "descending" dates, and not simply within an era?

You need to submit an additional request to the Feedback site - perhaps by adding a comment to an existing request (as above).

You could tag your commentaries according to date published (date originally published is used for era) and use that to assign them to different collections for use in Passage Guide.  How you prioritise them will then determine the order in which they appear.

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xnman | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jun 17 2022 7:21 AM

I wish Guides --> Bible Reference Guides --> Commentaries .... would pick up Personal Books that we designate as "Commentary".   

At least... I can't seem to get it to....  I created a Personal book (a few) and designated them "Type: Commentary"  and they are not picked up. 

Did I do it wrong?

Edit: And it would be a nice feature to have the "Types" of the Commentaries to match the "Types" the Personal Books....

Edit #2:  I re-compiled a Personal Book as a "Study Bible" and it picked it up. Cool beans!  

Edit #3: It just doesn't pick up Personal Books compiled as "Commentary"... that I can find.

Edit #4: It doesn't pick up "Author" either....  Looks like only thing "Commentaries" pick up from Personal Books is if they are compiled as "Type: Study Bible"... and "Author".

I hope FL will consider working on this in the future.... Geeked

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Graham Criddle | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jun 17 2022 9:19 AM

xnman:
Edit #3: It just doesn't pick up Personal Books compiled as "Commentary"... that I can find.

From the wiki - https://wiki.logos.com/Personal_Books#Resource_type_requirements 

Bible Commentary

  • Has Bible milestones for each passage with a commentary e.g. [[@Bible:Jn 1:9-10]] 
  • Headings can include bible milestones e.g. [[@Bible:Jn 1:1-18]] , but check that it doesn’t interfere with locating the actual commentary via the resource Reference box.
  • Commentaries ideally comment on every verse

Does your Personal Book satisfy those requirements (particularly the first one)?

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xnman | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jun 17 2022 9:34 AM

Graham Criddle:

xnman:
Edit #3: It just doesn't pick up Personal Books compiled as "Commentary"... that I can find.

From the wiki - https://wiki.logos.com/Personal_Books#Resource_type_requirements 

Bible Commentary

  • Has Bible milestones for each passage with a commentary e.g. [[@Bible:Jn 1:9-10]] 
  • Headings can include bible milestones e.g. [[@Bible:Jn 1:1-18]] , but check that it doesn’t interfere with locating the actual commentary via the resource Reference box.
  • Commentaries ideally comment on every verse

Does your Personal Book satisfy those requirements (particularly the first one)?

yes. It satisfies all three.     My mistake...  I need to do some work....  shucks!   Thanks.

Edit:  I played around with this a lot today... working with one of my Personal Books (compiled it as different "Type")... and for some reason... the "Commentaries" or "Monograph" or the other selections... would now work with anything the Personal Book was compiled with... except "Study Bible". But when the Personal Book is compiled as "Type: Study Bible" ... then it works.

I "think?" that it is because... the "Types" in Commentaries do not have "Commentary" as a Type... so again... I'm back to the idea... that the "Types" in Commentaries should match the "Types" in compiling a Personal Book. I wonder if this problem could crop in other places????

IMHO ... Geeked

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jun 17 2022 11:27 PM

xnman:
the "Types" in Commentaries do not have "Commentary" as a Type.

No, if you look at your library you will see that the type is "Bible Commentary" -- "Commentary" is for non-Bible commentaries.

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xnman | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jun 18 2022 6:34 AM

MJ. Smith:

xnman:
the "Types" in Commentaries do not have "Commentary" as a Type.

No, if you look at your library you will see that the type is "Bible Commentary" -- "Commentary" is for non-Bible commentaries.

Don't mean any offense.....  Either way... Was not talking about my library.... was talking about "Commentaries" as in "Guides --> Bible Reference Guides --> Commentaries" not picking up Personal Books....  It seems "Guides --> Bible Reference Guides --> Commentaries"  only pick up Personal Books that are compiled with "Type: Study Bible" as the "Types" in "Guides --> Bible Reference Guides --> Commentaries" do not have choices like the "Types" in compiling Personal Books does.  The only "Type" that is the same between the two are "Study Bible".... 

...  IMHO ... Geeked

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jun 18 2022 11:36 AM

xnman:
was talking about "Commentaries" as in "Guides --> Bible Reference Guides --> Commentaries" not picking up Personal Books....  It seems "Guides --> Bible Reference Guides --> Commentaries"  only pick up Personal Books that are compiled with "Type: Study Bible" as the "Types" in "Guides --> Bible Reference Guides --> Commentaries" do not have choices like the "Types" in compiling Personal Books does. 

Strange in that the Commentaries Guide section works with both "Bible Commentary" and "Study Bible" Personal Books for me.

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xnman | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Jun 19 2022 5:16 AM

MJ. Smith:

Strange in that the Commentaries Guide section works with both "Bible Commentary" and "Study Bible" Personal Books for me.

Well...now I'm confused more than I was confused before when I was confused, even when I thought I was not confused - lol.  

My problem seems to be... that if I compile a PB with type "commentary" then the "Commentaries Guide" does not pick it up. But if I compile the same PB as "Study Bible" ... then the "Commentaries Guide" does pick it up. 

1. Graham mentioned about milestones and I checked my PBs... and in one book I did have some bad milestones which I corrected. Yet this did not correct my problem (if it is a problem). In fact the PB that I corrected worked if I compile as "Study Bible" before I corrected it ....

2. I compiled some PB as "Commentary"... then reindexed everything... and waited till it finished... then rebooted Logos.. thinking maybe all that was the issue... .but same results.

3. I have a layout whereby I have the same PBs in it ... all linked and such.... and it works fine....

4. I'm ok compiling my PBs as "Study Bible".... I just don't know how that will affect my PBs with the rest of the Logos System.

And I am surely open for suggestions....  and wondering... how did I mess this up?  hmmm Geeked

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SineNomine | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Jun 19 2022 11:28 AM

xnman:
My problem seems to be... that if I compile a PB with type "commentary" then the "Commentaries Guide" does not pick it up. But if I compile the same PB as "Study Bible" ... then the "Commentaries Guide" does pick it up. 

That is exactly what is expected. Type:Commentary is NOT for Bible commentaries, as MJ noted above. It is for commentaries on things that are not Bibles. Type:Bible-Commentary is for Bible commentaries. Type:Study-Bible also works.

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