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Jeffrey Visser | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Oct 25 2020 7:27 AM

Facebook and Youtube (owned by Google) are about the same level of evil and from that perspective there isn't much difference.

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abondservant | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Oct 25 2020 7:30 AM

Lonnie Spencer:

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Kolen Cheung:
Anyway I‘m also sad to see they host the livestream on Facebook. I wish they did it on their own Faithlife site, or YouTube.

Agree 110%!!

I will never use Facebook! FL has a perfectly functional website and YouTube has a wide worldwide base!

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Firstly, I hate Facebook. But its part of my ministry platform. So, I am partly tied to it. Its been good in one way. before the pandemic maybe 50 people could fit in the church on a sunday, and maybe 25-30 would. Concurrent with the pandemic we started pushing our facebook stream, and we have week to week about 2-250 people joining us (with 10-15 in the building). income hasn't changed, praise the Lord :). We've been holding our own by God's grace.

Secondly, they have a public FB page, so as long as someone posts the link here, you should be able to watch without joining facebook. Keep an eye on the forums on monday, if a link isn't posted, and I remember, i'll post one.

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Kolen Cheung | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Oct 25 2020 1:48 PM

Jeffrey Visser:

Facebook and Youtube (owned by Google) are about the same level of evil and from that perspective there isn't much difference.

It could be subjective. But to me Facebook is much more evil than Google. Both has ad as its primary source of income, and has privacy concern. Facebook’s extra level of evilness is from its manipulation of the human mind specifically emotion to make people addict to it and feel insecure without it. It is well documented and they have publicly confess some of them (such as a “study“ with a certain research institute to manipulate people by altering the timeline.) Bundling that with Cambridge Analytica is 2016, this basically costs us the democracy (Trump in the US and Brexit in the UK.) It would be ok if it is like Facebook claimed that it was a breach from CA, but it was not and Facebook knew in the beginning of their use of data. Worst yet they (mostly the CEO) are very passive in making it right. Yes, Facebook does change but it is as if they are doing the minimal change necessary such that the gov and people can be shut up. Many of their employees disagree with the CEO‘s way of handling things and some quit already. This is in huge contrast with any another big tech companies.

Also noticed that I ranked them as Faithlife preferred, YouTube better than Facebook. The best is on its own Faithlife social network. Because manipulating you to be addict to generate ad revenue is not their incentive here. But IMO if you have to choose an evil one, Google is the lesser evil comparing to Facebook.

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Kolen Cheung | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Oct 25 2020 1:54 PM

abondservant:

Lonnie Spencer:

James Hudson:

Kolen Cheung:
Anyway I‘m also sad to see they host the livestream on Facebook. I wish they did it on their own Faithlife site, or YouTube.

Agree 110%!!

I will never use Facebook! FL has a perfectly functional website and YouTube has a wide worldwide base!

Yes



Firstly, I hate Facebook. But its part of my ministry platform. So, I am partly tied to it. Its been good in one way. before the pandemic maybe 50 people could fit in the church on a sunday, and maybe 25-30 would. Concurrent with the pandemic we started pushing our facebook stream, and we have week to week about 2-250 people joining us (with 10-15 in the building). income hasn't changed, praise the Lord :). We've been holding our own by God's grace.

Secondly, they have a public FB page, so as long as someone posts the link here, you should be able to watch without joining facebook. Keep an eye on the forums on monday, if a link isn't posted, and I remember, i'll post one.

This is not an argument towards launching at Facebook. If you replace your first point by something else (Faithlife site or zoom), 2nd point by any other website that don’t have a registration wall, then your argument is equally valid, which makes it invalid as a support to use Facebook.

And to emphasize, I agree you can reach audiences through Facebook. But one should consider what kind of message they are sending by having a ministry in Facebook, or launch a certain event on Facebook. Like it or not you are endorsing it. 

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Dale E Heath | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Oct 25 2020 2:03 PM

Dale E Heath:

We're still in the same time zone for a few more days. We're switching to Arizona time on Nov. 1, or permanent Pacific Daylight Time.

I discovered that's not accurate. WA and CA also need to pass the same bill and the US Senate needs to approve it. WA has passed it, but CA is busy with other matters. So, OR will go back to PST on Nov. 1.

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Little Ike | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Oct 25 2020 5:08 PM

What a bummer.  I guess I will miss the announcement because I am not going to go on facebook.

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Denise | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Oct 25 2020 5:19 PM

Little Ike:

What a bummer.  I guess I will miss the announcement because I am not going to go on facebook.

Maybe you can munch on your Facebook cookie (whenever logged into FL sites).

But you won't be alone ... I don't do the google, facebook, twitter, etc. either. But to be carefully hypocritical, I do have a google email that feeds an encrypted site (humor but true).

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Lynden Williams | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Oct 25 2020 5:22 PM

Little Ike:

What a bummer.  I guess I will miss the announcement because I am not going to go on facebook.

Are you aware that you do not need a Facebook account to watch the live feed?

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abondservant | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Oct 25 2020 5:58 PM

Kolen Cheung:

This is not an argument towards launching at Facebook. If you replace your first point by something else (Faithlife site or zoom), 2nd point by any other website that don’t have a registration wall, then your argument is equally valid, which makes it invalid as a support to use Facebook.

And to emphasize, I agree you can reach audiences through Facebook. But one should consider what kind of message they are sending by having a ministry in Facebook, or launch a certain event on Facebook. Like it or not you are endorsing it. 



Disagree with your first point. on a variety of fronts.

Secondly my dislike for Facebook isn't based around what you think it is.

If people were gathering around the local pot house, I'd be standing outside preaching the gospel. Is my presence an endorsement of illegal drugs? I don't think so.

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Kolen Cheung | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Oct 25 2020 6:41 PM

A more controversial argument can be made for those preach inside disco or pub or something.

In this case having a platform on Facebook is more similar to that, unlike when someone is outside.

But not to digress into whether it is the right choice to go inside and preach (which is a personal choice and only to Christ should we answer that to.) What I ask is what kind of message does one send. It might very well be sending a very good message. But may be some didn’t think about that at all. and the lack of it is the problem.

I didn’t assume anything about why you hate Facebook or use it or not. I’m saying those arguments, if any, does not justify why launching Logos 9 on Facebook is good.

I am sure some can find good reasons for them to launch on Facebook. My original comment is that I am sad to see that. It is an emotional response that is subjective. They might have their valid reason, and even if it is rationally the best move they have, it is emotionally a very sad thing for a Christian company who has their own social platform to launch in such an evil site (that encourage the manipulation of human mind to maximize addiction and attention hence their ad revenue and minimize the work they need to censor to avoid labor and lose of opportunity for revenue, even if it is political ones and sometimes misleading.)

Before we continue to argue, let’s agree none of our opinions matter. Faithlife would continue to launch Logos 9 there. Facebook will be thriving. We may continue to lose our democracy partly due to Facebook and other social media.

Now that is sad.

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Kolen Cheung | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Oct 25 2020 6:45 PM

Lynden Williams:

Little Ike:

What a bummer.  I guess I will miss the announcement because I am not going to go on facebook.

Are you aware that you do not need a Facebook account to watch the live feed?

Are you aware that he don’t want to go to Facebook.com, not because he doesn’t have an account, but is a choice?

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David Taylor Jr | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Oct 25 2020 7:37 PM

I was told by a staff member it is on Facebook and not multiple channels due to staffing issues from Covid-19 restrictions and that it will be available on Faithlife Tv later in the day.

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David Taylor Jr | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Oct 25 2020 7:39 PM

They have already used the unbound theme before for Mobile Ed courses...

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Kolen Cheung | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Oct 25 2020 8:25 PM

David Taylor Jr:

I was told by a staff member it is on Facebook and not multiple channels due to staffing issues from Covid-19 restrictions and that it will be available on Faithlife Tv later in the day.

Good to hear that it is a technical difficulty not a deliberate choice. Everyone should just buy a Logos 9 package regardless of what they launch to support them.

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Jonathan Bradley | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Oct 25 2020 8:50 PM

What does “niLe ShOre is GOne” mean? 

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Lynden Williams | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Oct 25 2020 8:52 PM

Sorry Johnathan I was never good with languages.

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Danny Parker | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Oct 25 2020 8:55 PM

Logos nine is here

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Jonathan Bradley | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Oct 25 2020 8:57 PM

I see it now

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Sean | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Oct 25 2020 8:59 PM

Well, cool. I needed something interesting/good to happen this week.

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Lynden Williams | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Oct 25 2020 9:04 PM

Jonathan Bradley:

I see it now

Creative. 

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