Which new Wordsearch resources would you like to see first?

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Nicholas Nelson | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Nov 10 2020 11:58 AM

The process has been going on for a little while now but I am wondering about Titles which are identified with similar names. For instance I purchased as a part of my Wordsearch library quite a few study bibles. Three of them Apologetics Study Bibles. 1. Apologetics Study Bible, The, 2. CBS Apologetics Study Bible for students (this one has already been brought over) 3. Defenders Study Bible, The. I purchased for my Wordsearch library 13 different Study Bibles. 

Another concern I have is Interlinear Bibles. The Logos interlinear though very functional does not provide the level of information as my Wordsearch Interlinear Bibles. What I miss in the Logos Interlinear is the Hebrew, Greek and English grammar breakdown of each word. Though the Logos Interlinear provides single letter abbreviations of a words Hebrew, Greek Grammar, it does not tell you what those abbreviations mean when hovered over or selected. 
I am curious, will all my interlinear bibles be brought into Logos and will they retain total functionality they possessed in Wordsearch? 1. The Complete Biblical Library Interlinear Bible (this is the most thorough Interlinear bible ever) 2. HCSB Reverse Interlinear Bible 3. Interlinear Bible 4. The AMG Complete Word Study Bible, though not a actual Interlinear, it functioned on the same level as an interlinear providing superior original language dictionary, plus grammatical break down of each word. All accessible by hovering or bringing up in individual windows. At present the Logos version of The Complete Word Study Bible has lost all functionality and is no more that a KJV Bible.
Update on The Complete Word Study Bible: While using this Bible in Logos I found that I was wrong. Several Bibles in Logos are Complete Word Study Bibles and if it were not for the Complete Word Study Bible's Dictionary, there is no need to even purchase it. Still Logos has not retained the English Grammar notes on each of the words in the text. If they have, I have yet to find a quick access to them. 

I would have to say that so far the biggest problems I am seeing is in functionality of our Wordsearch Library as it is brought into Logos. Most but not all my library has lost a certain amount of functionality that made Wordsearch my go to program. As a preacher the speed at which I can dig deeply into a text is most important. I do not have time to waste since everything I teach requires many hours of study just to teach one hour.

Enough with the things I believe need improvement. What Logos has done with the ASV is absolutely beautiful. Huge thumbs up. I hope to see much more of this kind of functionality. 

Also, when do you plan on offering the NASB2020. I will be purchasing that as soon as you offer it.

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Christopher Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Nov 10 2020 12:03 PM

Dake's notes please!

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SineNomine | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Nov 10 2020 12:48 PM

Nicholas Nelson:

Also, when do you plan on offering the NASB2020. I will be purchasing that as soon as you offer it.

Might as well pre-order it now at a 30% discount: https://www.logos.com/product/198302/the-new-american-standard-bible-2020-update

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Nicholas Nelson | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Nov 10 2020 12:56 PM

Thank you, It is done.

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Roy | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Nov 10 2020 9:44 PM

Nicholas Nelson:
What I miss in the Logos Interlinear is the Hebrew, Greek and English grammar breakdown of each word. Though the Logos Interlinear provides single letter abbreviations of a words Hebrew, Greek Grammar, it does not tell you what those abbreviations mean when hovered over or selected. 

They do tell you what the morphology letters mean, in both the in-line and the interlinear pane modes. please see below.

In the in-line mode the info is displayed as a pop-up in the lower (left?) portion of t he screen so it can be overlooked.

in the pane-mode the pop-up will display after a couple seconds of hover.

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Nicholas Nelson | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Nov 11 2020 2:34 AM

Thank you for responding to my concerns. And you are correct because I had been over looking it. 

Earlier today, I found that feature myself while I was experimenting with my Logos program.  Hovering did tell me which each letter in the morphology referred to, but it is not the same. With Wordsearch you may also click on a letter in the morphology and it brings up a separate window explaining the meaning of that part of the morphology and how it may be used in various grammar situations. Very useful stuff for those of us that do not clearly remember what we learned in Greek class 30 years ago or for that matter English class 45 years ago. The little articles bring it all back and I need quick access to that sometimes.

I did find one Bible in Logos that hovering the letters in the morphology did not bring up anything but that is a moot point since I found several that the hovering worked. 

Again, thank you for taking the time to take screen shots. That is a lot of work to help a fellow Logos user out.

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Mike Binks | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Nov 11 2020 6:30 AM

Nicholas Nelson:
I did find one Bible in Logos that hovering the letters in the morphology did not bring up anything

Prey which?

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Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :) | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Nov 11 2020 9:20 AM

Nicholas Nelson:
With Wordsearch you may also click on a letter in the morphology and it brings up a separate window explaining the meaning of that part of the morphology and how it may be used in various grammar situations.

Morph Search has pop-up for each item: e.g. hovering mouse on Participle for Verb shows pop-up 

Glossary of Morpho-Syntactic Database Terminology has headwords with the text for Morph Search pop-up

Some grammatical summary resources to consider are Greek New Testament Insert (1994), Chapman's New Testament-Greek Notebook (1978) & Hebrew Bible Insert: A Student’s Guide to the Syntax of Biblical Hebrew (2002)

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Nicholas Nelson | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Nov 11 2020 11:07 AM

Wow, that is great and exactly what I am talking about. I have not seen that before. Is it accessible directly from the Interlinear. This kind of information is exiting to me. Thank you very much. I am going to go play with logos looking for this. Again, Thank You very very much.

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Nicholas Nelson | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Nov 11 2020 11:20 AM

The NASB95 update, when I select to have the Interlinear to appear, the morphology does not bring up anything when I hover or click on them.

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Mike Binks | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Nov 11 2020 11:39 AM

Nicholas Nelson:

The NASB95 update, when I select to have the Interlinear to appear, the morphology does not bring up anything when I hover or click on them.

Hmm – I pray you will forgive my ignorance if I have missed something; I rarely delve into the reverse interlinears.

I have opened the NASB (and the ESV and NLT). For all of these I have turned on all the lines.

With the inline display, the only items that have popups are the Strongs Numbers and the Louw-Nida

In the inline panel the 'Morph' line gains a popup along with the other two.

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Nicholas Nelson | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Nov 11 2020 11:52 AM

I do not check the reverse interlinear box. It did not help and cluttered the screen too much. The morphology does appear in the NASB95 but when I hover over the letters it does not reveal what the letters stand for at the bottom of the screen as it does with the ASV and interlinear for example.

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Mike Binks | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Nov 11 2020 12:11 PM

Nicholas Nelson:

I do not check the reverse interlinear box. It did not help and cluttered the screen too much. The morphology does appear in the NASB95 but when I hover over the letters it does not reveal what the letters stand for at the bottom of the screen as it does with the ASV and interlinear for example.

This is what I see with my copy of NASB95; am I to understand that you do not see the same?

If I have misunderstood please let us have a screenshot of what you expect to see, perhaps using ASV as an example.

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Nicholas Nelson | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Nov 11 2020 12:13 PM

It took a while to get this feature to work. It takes several more steps than Wordsearch did but still the information is there and I appreciate you showing me this feature. Not quite as excited when I first realized the information is there. Again it is a bit more time consuming than I am used to but one must learn to accept things as they are not as we wished. Thank you for showing me this feature. 

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Nicholas Nelson | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Nov 11 2020 12:43 PM

Mike, I rechecked my NASB95 Original language selections and found that the Reverse Interlinear box was checked and it was preventing the hovering feature from working. Now that the reverse interlinear is unchecked everything functions as it does in the other bibles.

One interesting thing I noticed was when the Reverse Interlinear box was checked in the NASB95, it did not bring up the clutter that it does in other bibles. It just brought up a single line text box at the bottom of the screen. When you check the Reverse Interlinear box in the ESV, The Reverse Interlinear takes up half the screen, which is why I feel it is just clutter. Just an observation. 

Yes, my version did not look like your version when the Reverse Interlinear was selected. I still do not know why that is the case.

So I see I need to check and recheck my settings. My mistake.

Thank you for your efforts to try to understand what I am seeing. 

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Mike Binks | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Nov 12 2020 12:19 AM

Nicholas Nelson:
One interesting thing I noticed was when the Reverse Interlinear box was checked in the NASB95, it did not bring up the clutter that it does in other bibles. It just brought up a single line text box at the bottom of the screen. When you check the Reverse Interlinear box in the ESV, The Reverse Interlinear takes up half the screen, which is why I feel it is just clutter. Just an observation. 

Glad things are getting better for you Nicholas. Here are two settings that you might find useful...

Selecting the 'Inline Reverse Interlinear' allows one to choose which attributes appear on screen from the sub-list below.

Whereas selecting the 'The Reverse Interlinear Panel' and clicking in the area to the left allows one to chose which ribbons appear in the panel.

I seem to remember that the settings are per Translation and are remembered for that translation.

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Kathleen | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Nov 14 2020 8:48 PM

I agree the Thompson Chain Reference is a must. I’m very surprised it isn’t already available. 

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Jonathan Tokosh | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Nov 16 2020 11:00 AM

The books I need to be developed first are the following:

1. The Complete Biblical Library Interlinear. Both Greek and Hebrew volumes. This is by far the most important. It needs to be organized just as the it was. The interlinears you offer just do not stack up to it. It needs to link directly to the complete biblical library dictionaries which need to be fully functional also. I have these in hardback (Bought them when they first came out) and they were indispensable as I studied Biblical Languages (so much easier and superior to use than traditional resources and they lead you to the traditional resources for deeper study. I saw a comment that you may be considering not converting the interlinear section and letting your current interlinears serve the purpose.  I hope this is not the case, I will be quite disappointed and regret that I have agreed to spend thousands of dollars on logos packages. I know I can access the info different ways in logos but it is the ease of the Complete Biblical Library set up that makes it what it is.It hardback it saved me hours of research time digitized in WS it did the same. Having it fully functioning in logos would be a Gold Standard that Logos should strive for. Without it fully functional and in the same layout it would far from that and as I said regretful. I can not say enough about the importance if the Complete Biblical Library being fully functional as designed.

2. Gospel Advocate Commentaries

3. Coffman commentaries

Of course much of what I had was personally picked, so I hope you convert them all and choose none to stay in e-book form. Hopefully you also learn from the few places WS was superior and incorporate that into logos also. I did not believe there was anything when I switched from Logos to WS because of my financial ability but was pleased to find that some things were just easier there. Although Logos is superior in many other ways. Maybe you could start another forum on what WS users wish Logos would adopt from WS. Then Logos could continue its desire to develop the best possible software for Biblical study. 

Anyway, that's my two cents worth.

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Rev Paul Papas | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Nov 16 2020 12:33 PM

I am also surprised the Thompson Chain is not up and running in Logos, it should be.

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Rev Paul Papas | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Nov 16 2020 12:35 PM

I agree with the comments about the Complete Biblical Library both Greek and Hebrew volumes. They should be fully functional as they were in WS. 

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