Help! Intertext section of Bible Books Explorer keeps searching wrong bible

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Kiyah | Forum Activity | Posted: Thu, Oct 29 2020 6:43 AM

The intertext section of the Bible Books Explorer keeps searching the CSB when I click on a bible book instead of my top prioritized bible (NRSV). I keep having to change the bible in the search results window to the NRSV. I've even tried to run a few simple searches in fresh search windows in the NRSV to get it to switch over to my last searched bible, but it insists on searching the CSB when I click on anything in the intertext panel. How do I make it stop doing this?

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Graham Criddle | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Oct 29 2020 7:22 AM

Kiyah:
How do I make it stop doing this?

I don't know!

For me I am getting the ESV where my highest prioritised Bible is the NIV

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Kiyah | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Oct 29 2020 7:28 AM

Graham Criddle:

Kiyah:
How do I make it stop doing this?

I don't know!

For me I am getting the ESV where my highest prioritised Bible is the NIV

Wow, well at least it's not just me. smh

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Sean Boisen | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Oct 29 2020 8:31 AM

Kiyah:

The intertext section of the Bible Books Explorer keeps searching the CSB when I click on a bible book instead of my top prioritized bible (NRSV). I keep having to change the bible in the search results window to the NRSV. I've even tried to run a few simple searches in fresh search windows in the NRSV to get it to switch over to my last searched bible, but it insists on searching the CSB when I click on anything in the intertext panel. How do I make it stop doing this?

I changed my preferred Bible and tried this, and it still went to my old preference. I restarted and now it's going to my new preference. Does this resolve the problem for you Kiyah?

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Kiyah | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Oct 29 2020 9:43 AM

Sean Boisen:
I changed my preferred Bible and tried this, and it still went to my old preference. I restarted and now it's going to my new preference. Does this resolve the problem for you Kiyah?

Yes it did. I had actually just done that and was coming back to the forums to update that restarting fixed it. Hopefully this quirk can be fixed in a subsequent update.

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Eli Evans (Faithlife) | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Oct 29 2020 10:33 AM

By design, actually. It’s using the last setting of the panel. The search link in the interactive doesn’t set the resource in the search because (other) users get frustrated, eg, if you wanted the Greek NT but I keep forcibly setting it to your preferred Bible. Plus, many of these intertext sets have Catholic Bible refs in them, so we’d be selecting the top Bible that had all the results, which sometimes wouldn’t be your preferred, or we’d always set your preferred and (always) lose some results. This way puts you in control, at the expense of some annoyance when the last Bible you searched wasn’t the one you wanted. 

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Eli Evans (Faithlife) | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Oct 29 2020 10:34 AM

... and to be clear, you shouldn’t have to change your preferred Bible, just the resource parameter in the Search panel. 

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Kiyah | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Oct 29 2020 10:48 AM

Eli Evans (Faithlife):

By design, actually. It’s using the last setting of the panel. The search link in the interactive doesn’t set the resource in the search because (other) users get frustrated, eg, if you wanted the Greek NT but I keep forcibly setting it to your preferred Bible. Plus, many of these intertext sets have Catholic Bible refs in them, so we’d be selecting the top Bible that had all the results, which sometimes wouldn’t be your preferred, or we’d always set your preferred and (always) lose some results. This way puts you in control, at the expense of some annoyance when the last Bible you searched wasn’t the one you wanted. 

I figured this was the case, which is why I tried running a couple of fresh searches in the NRSV and then trying the intertext search again, but it still kept searching the CSB (tried two or three searches in the NRSV before running the interext and it still didn't switch). I totally get what you're saying but it doesn't seem to actually be working the way you describe. If my last search was in the NRSV before I ran the next intertext search, why did it kept reaching back to the CSB? I certainly hope y'all didn't intend for me to have to restart the software to get it to switch to the bible I want.

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Andrew Batishko | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Oct 29 2020 10:50 AM

Kiyah:
I tried running a couple of fresh searches in the NRSV and then trying the intertext search again

I believe the "last Bible" setting of the search panel is not saved until you close the search panel.

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Andrew Batishko | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Oct 29 2020 10:52 AM

Consider also using the "Send searches here" option in the Search panel menu to reuse that search panel instead of opening a new one. This will allow you to adjust settings on the fly if you are doing multiple searches, and avoid having to close the panel.

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Kiyah | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Oct 29 2020 10:57 AM

Andrew Batishko (Faithlife):

Kiyah:
I tried running a couple of fresh searches in the NRSV and then trying the intertext search again

I believe the "last Bible" setting of the search panel is not saved until you close the search panel.

I tried closing the panels before I resorted to restarting. When that didn't work I restarted.

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Kiyah | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Oct 29 2020 11:13 AM

Andrew Batishko (Faithlife):

Consider also using the "Send searches here" option in the Search panel menu to reuse that search panel instead of opening a new one. This will allow you to adjust settings on the fly if you are doing multiple searches, and avoid having to close the panel.

Coincidentally, it seems to be working as designed since I've restarted. Maybe it just needed a dry run, that was the first time I had used that feature since upgrading.

I've created a "Bibles - Intertext" collection with just the EOB:NT and LES2 so that I can go back and forth between OT->NT and NT->OT searches without redundant results or constantly having to switch bibles. (I'm using the LES2 since it also has Ps Sol, Enoch, and Odes). And I've selected "send searches here" as you've suggested. That seems to be working well, especially since I can then add the NRSV as the comparison text.

Question: why are there no intext linkages with Enoch? Not even allusions/echos, or the citation in Jude 14-15?

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Philana R. Crouch | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Oct 29 2020 11:15 AM

Kiyah:

Andrew Batishko (Faithlife):

Kiyah:
I tried running a couple of fresh searches in the NRSV and then trying the intertext search again

I believe the "last Bible" setting of the search panel is not saved until you close the search panel.

I tried closing the panels before I resorted to restarting. When that didn't work I restarted.

Kiyah,

I'm not able to recreate what you are describing. Can you please try again and confirm that if you change the Bible it is not being used the next time? If you can would you upload your logs from the session you reproduce it in?

Thanks,

Philana

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Eli Evans (Faithlife) | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Oct 29 2020 11:17 AM

Kiyah:
Question: why are there no intext linkages with Enoch? Not even allusions/echos, or the citation in Jude 14-15?

I used the "NT use of the OT" dataset, which doesn't include those. I'd like to; I believe there are linkages in the Ancient Literature dataset, but I didn't farm any links from there.

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Kiyah | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Oct 29 2020 11:42 AM

Eli Evans (Faithlife):

Kiyah:
Question: why are there no intext linkages with Enoch? Not even allusions/echos, or the citation in Jude 14-15?

I used the "NT use of the OT" dataset, which doesn't include those. I'd like to; I believe there are linkages in the Ancient Literature dataset, but I didn't farm any links from there.

Okay. Hopefully you'll be able to include Enoch in the future. That would be super helpful.

One more thing...I noticed that I can click on NT books that link to the books in the Apocrypha and get the search to execute and list all the Apocrypha verses, but when I click on a book in the Apocrypha to try to get a search of all the NT books that link to it, nothing comes up. The search seems to only be one-directional with the Apocrypha (i.e. NT->A but not A->NT). Why would this be the case? Is it because the Apocrypha aren't tagged with the "NT use of the OT" info?

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Eli Evans (Faithlife) | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Oct 29 2020 12:47 PM

Kiyah:
when I click on a book in the Apocrypha to try to get a search of all the NT books that link to it, nothing comes up.

That's a bug, which I'll look into ASAP. Apocryphal books should behave just like any other OT book does. (Barring any unforeseen issues, I should be able to copy over the links to Enoch while I'm at it.) Thanks for letting me know!

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Kiyah | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Oct 29 2020 1:31 PM

Eli Evans (Faithlife):

Kiyah:
when I click on a book in the Apocrypha to try to get a search of all the NT books that link to it, nothing comes up.

That's a bug, which I'll look into ASAP. Apocryphal books should behave just like any other OT book does. (Barring any unforeseen issues, I should be able to copy over the links to Enoch while I'm at it.) Thanks for letting me know!

Awesome, thanks!

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Kiyah | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Oct 29 2020 1:32 PM

Philana R. Crouch:

Kiyah:

Andrew Batishko (Faithlife):

Kiyah:
I tried running a couple of fresh searches in the NRSV and then trying the intertext search again

I believe the "last Bible" setting of the search panel is not saved until you close the search panel.

I tried closing the panels before I resorted to restarting. When that didn't work I restarted.

Kiyah,

I'm not able to recreate what you are describing. Can you please try again and confirm that if you change the Bible it is not being used the next time? If you can would you upload your logs from the session you reproduce it in?

Thanks,

Philana

Philana, see my comment above, restarting seems to have magically resolved the problem.

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