The Historic One Year Lectionary

Logosed

In my Logos Library I see that there are two one year lectionary offers:

Christian Worship One Year Lectionary

and

Lutheran Service Book Historic (One Year) Lectionary

I wonder if Logos also offers or has plans to the Classic Ancient Lectionary as it is presented at:

http://www.lectionarycentral.com/index.html

I have used this Lectionary for many years and found it very useful.

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Kevin A

I would think you might be waiting a while unless there is much demand.

You could produce your own Lectionary Personal Book. There is a link to one that Gengis created https://community.logos.com/forums/t/194079.aspx which you may be able to workout how to modify for your own use.

You could also have a look through the Files subforum (https://community.logos.com/forums/66.aspx) to see if any other lectionaries that you could modify. I think I made one once using a spreadsheet to help create the docx file, I will see if I can find it which may aid producing your own one.

Kevin A

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1130334#Comment_1130334

Here are the files I used to create something that functioned in the Logos 7 sidebar to give me links, as the Calendar Devotional that it is did not appear in the sidebar. I was not sure what I was doing at the time (even less so now) so it is probably not great, but it was useful to use a spreadsheet to create the docx at the time.

Looking at them both I must of pasted as 'Keep Text Only' then used Find and Replace in Word to tidy the document. The docx does compile in L8/9 but I whilst it appears you can add it as a lectionary card on the home screen, the card itself does not actually appear, and I do not have the time or desire to find out why. Hopefully Gengis's will work and you can change his.

1185.Connect the Testaments Lectionary.xlsx

6545.Connect the Testaments Lectionary.docx

Most of the work is extracting the text you want to show, and how you do that will depend on what formats you have it in. The spreadsheet helps to increment dates etc.

Good luck [Y]

Logosed

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1130354#Comment_1130354

This is very helpful. Thank you so much.

MJ. Smith

I wonder if Logos also offers or has plans to the Classic Ancient Lectionary as it is presented at:

http://www.lectionarycentral.com/index.html

At this point, Faithlife only deals with lectionaries currently in use by "major" groups. I am working towards getting them interested in historical lectionaries.

Logosed

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1130614#Comment_1130614

I hope you succeed in your goal. Thanks for responding.

Veli Voipio

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1130740#Comment_1130740

[Y]

SineNomine

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1130614#Comment_1130614

I wonder if Logos also offers or has plans to the Classic Ancient Lectionary as it is presented at:

http://www.lectionarycentral.com/index.html

At this point, Faithlife only deals with lectionaries currently in use by "major" groups. I am working towards getting them interested in historical lectionaries.

Catholics still use the ancient one-year lectionary of the 1962 Missale Romanum... [;)]

Logosed

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1131094#Comment_1131094

Thanks for bringing this to my attention.

SineNomine

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1131109#Comment_1131109

Thanks for bringing this to my attention.

You're welcome.

Unfortunately, while FL's edition of this missal does include the lectionary readings, FL does not (yet) offer a separate lectionary resource.

NB.Mick

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1131115#Comment_1131115

Unfortunately, while FL's edition of this missal does include the lectionary readings, FL does not (yet) offer a separate lectionary resource.

If my understanding of the table at http://www.bible-researcher.com/lectionary1.html is correct, the historic lectionary should be available in the older lectionaries in Logos, i.e. the Anglican 1928 BCP and in the old Lutheran one-year lectionary pre-dating the RCL, i.e. Lutheran Service book (the Lutheran Christian Worship One Year Lectionary may be a somewhat revised version of that, for example it counts Sundays after Pentecost rather than after Trinity). My spot checks on various dates seem to confirm that.

But it clearly is possible to build a PB lectionary with exactly the texts you want and the assignment of church year Sundays to secular dates your congregation adheres to.

Kathleen Marie

I just discovered the Historic Lectionary yesterday. Are there any new updates to Logos/Verbum resources since this thread was last active?

MJ. Smith

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1182766#Comment_1182766

Are there any new updates to Logos/Verbum resources since this thread was last active?

The lectionaries in the Logos.com and Verbum.com are the only lectionaries available. There are two additional lectionaries often available to convert into personal books - a Messianic Jewish one and the Mennonite Watchword which is annual not repetitive. The most often asked for additions IIRC are:

The season of creation
The Narrative lectionary
The Jewish lectionary 1 year version
The Jewish lectionary 3 year version
Year D lectionary
the Uncommon lectionary
Historic lectionary

Were Faithlife to rebuild their handling of liturgical dates to make maintenance possible, I could quickly supply most of these that are not under copyright.

Kathleen Marie

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1182802#Comment_1182802

I think a lot of people just do not know the historic calendar exists and that there are SOOOO many resources tied to it. Mostly, I only know enough to know how much I do not know about all this, but I suspect that a lot of money could be made by reintroducing the historic calendar to people.

The pandemic has made people hungry for rhythms and stable things. Churches are searching for ideas to support regular family worship. The bulk of the work is already done. We don't need to reinvent the wheel. We just need to tweak it slightly and package it.

MJ. Smith

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1182813#Comment_1182813

The Lutheran one year lectionary is very similar to the historic lectionary - Lutheran, Anglican, and Catholic lectionaries remained quite close together.

Kathleen Marie

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1182827#Comment_1182827

The Lutheran one year lectionary is very similar to the historic lectionary - Lutheran, Anglican, and Catholic lectionaries remained quite close together.

I am still reading about the differences. There is a story in the historical church year? Do we have any good logos resources linked to the one-year lectionary that focus on the whole main story? Resources that help people see the main story of the Bible are popular now, but I don't know of anything similar available for the church year.

I am very interested in how the church year rhythms can be used as a therapy, for schools, and as a way to reduce the isolation of the pandemic. Pagan and Waldorf resources are increasingly being used this way, as people become less and less tied to the church.

Logos seems to be committed to offering lots of counseling resources. I think many of those same customers are being trained to use pagan one-year resources and would appreciate a Christian alternative.

When I do a quick Google, the Lutheran one-year liturgy comes up so much more often than any other.

Olli-Pekka Ylisuutari

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1182862#Comment_1182862

There is a story in the historical church year?

Definitely so! In the historical church year the church shares the crucial salvation historical events of the Christian religion, the three great events of Christmas, Easter and Pentecost. God becoming a human being, God suffering and conquering death and God sending the Holy Spirit.

Of these, Easter (at least theologically) forms the center of the Church year in many ways, though Christmas by popularity maybe the stronger one.

how the church year rhythms can be used as a therapy, for schools, and as a way to reduce the isolation of the pandemic

For therapy, maybe the church year brings order, sequence and discipline to your life..? Life doesn’t thicken into one, boring porridge..? A tough question...

As to pandemic, the d*mn*d covid hindered even these great gatherings in many ways…

Speaking of schools I can say – as a Lutheran pastor of Christian education – that Christmas and Easter are in many ways the only remaining and thin-growing link between the church and the schools – in secularized Finland at least, that is. These are the merry times that many schools bring their schoolkids to churches voluntarily to celebrate these two great Christian feasts. In my childhood it used to be “obligatory”, but the peer-pressure has grown thinner and thinner because of secularization and also because of the shattering of the unified and integrative culture. We are no longer a monolith – religiously, nor culturally.

I like the following excerpt from the YouCat (Youth Catechism of the Catholic Church): “Following the Church year in faith makes us indeed contemporaries of Jesus. Not because we can imagine ourselves so precisely as part of his time and his life, but rather because he comes into my time and my life, if I make room for him in this way, with his healing and forgiving presence, with the explosive force of his Resurrection.”

So ἀνάμνησις, anamnesis, is not just stretching backwards in memory to history past – it is salvation history stretching forwards to our times – (much the same as in the Eucharist), becoming present, current, tangible...

Kathleen Marie

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1182881#Comment_1182881

There is a story in the historical church year?

Definitely so! In the historical church year the church shares the crucial salvation historical events of the Christian religion, the three great events of Christmas, Easter and Pentecost. God becoming a human being, God suffering and conquering death and God sending the Holy Spirit.

Of these, Easter (at least theologically) forms the center of the Church year in many ways, though Christmas by popularity maybe the stronger one.

Can anyone recommend any good books to learn about this: beginner and advanced, layperson and priest. Visuals and charts?

Kathleen Marie

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1182881#Comment_1182881

how the church year rhythms can be used as a therapy, for schools, and as a way to reduce the isolation of the pandemic

For therapy, maybe the church year brings order, sequence and discipline to your life..? Life doesn’t thicken into one, boring porridge..? A tough question...

As to pandemic, the d*mn*d covid hindered even these great gatherings in many ways…

How can we use this time to strengthen home/family worship? That was a major goal of most reformation denominations? Many reformation leaders wrote about laypeople becoming more active in the church rather than spectators. Some dumped the one-year liturgy and many simplified the one-year liturgy? What can we dig up that works now? The 1662 BCP has prayers for plagues that were dropped in later editions. Before we reinvent the wheel, what have our fathers left us for times like these? Plagues are not new! The church has been dealing with them since the beginning.

I am struggling to find links, But Waldorf education methods are more and more being used for children with Autism and are being used in juvenile jails. The arts focus is part of the reason, but the yearly/weekly/daily rhythms are another primary reason that they work. People that feel out of control seek things that are orderly and consistent to cling to.

For adults, pagan rituals and practices are being used more and more often, for the same reasons that Waldorf is being used with the children. Does the church offer an alternative rhythm that is packaged for laypeople to use and teach?

Kathleen Marie

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1182881#Comment_1182881

There is a story in the historical church year?

Speaking of schools I can say – as a Lutheran pastor of Christian education – that Christmas and Easter are in many ways the only remaining and thin-growing link between the church and the schools – in secularized Finland at least, that is. These are the merry times that many schools bring their schoolkids to churches voluntarily to celebrate these two great Christian feasts. In my childhood it used to be “obligatory”, but the peer-pressure has grown thinner and thinner because of secularization and also because of the shattering of the unified and integrative culture. We are no longer a monolith – religiously, nor culturally.

I like the following excerpt from the YouCat (Youth Catechism of the Catholic Church): “Following the Church year in faith makes us indeed contemporaries of Jesus. Not because we can imagine ourselves so precisely as part of his time and his life, but rather because he comes into my time and my life, if I make room for him in this way, with his healing and forgiving presence, with the explosive force of his Resurrection.”

So ἀνάμνησις, anamnesis, is not just stretching backwards in memory to history past – it is salvation history stretching forwards to our times – (much the same as in the Eucharist), becoming present, current, tangible...

In the USA, schools are not allowed to use Christian words to label the holidays. They must use secular titles and names and find a secular reason to celebrate a day. And there must also be no racial ties to the holiday.

Children thrive in a yearly rhythm. Schools have always decorated by the seasons and provided holiday-themed lessons. The new school year rhythms are hollow or non-existent and no one seems to love them.

The kids keep getting pulled out of schools. Children are becoming more and more placed under the authority of their parents. Schools cannot even find many of the students that were enrolled in them before the pandemic. There is opportunity here for the church to become the foundation of the education of some children.

A growing number of parents, tired of the reality of the piecemeal instruction being offered by the schools are puling out their children, with and without permission.

For scared, lonely, floundering families, what can Logos offer to provide some order and rhythm and healing?

Olli-Pekka Ylisuutari

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1182883#Comment_1182883

Can anyone recommend any good books to learn about this: beginner and advanced, layperson and priest. Visuals and charts?

My search string: “christmas" WITHIN 30 WORDS "easter" WITHIN 30 WORDS "pentecost”

brought these results:

It depends on your library, what you have. But these get the most hits in my library. It's a starting point, at least.

Kathleen Marie

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1182893#Comment_1182893

Can anyone recommend any good books to learn about this: beginner and advanced, layperson and priest. Visuals and charts?

My search string: “christmas" WITHIN 30 WORDS "easter" WITHIN 30 WORDS "pentecost”

brought these results:

It depends on your library, what you have. But these get the most hits in my library. It's a starting point, at least.

Thanks!!! That is really helpful!

MJ. Smith

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1182883#Comment_1182883

Can anyone recommend any good books to learn about this: beginner and advanced, layperson and priest. Visuals and charts?

The Origins of Feasts, Fasts, and Seasons in Early Christianity (Alcuin Club Collections) by Paul F. Bradshaw and Maxwell E. Johnson (broad appeal)
The Liturgical Year: The Spiraling Adventure of the Spiritual Life - The Ancient Practices Series by Joan Chittister (broad appeal)
Journey into the Heart of God: Living the Liturgical Year by Philip H. Pfatteicher (broad appeal)
The Liturgical Year: Its History and Its Meaning After the Reform of the Liturgy by Adolf Adam (academic side)
The Origins of the Liturgical Year: Second, Emended Edition (Pueblo Books) by Thomas J. Talley (academic side)
The Liturgical Year: (multivolume) by Adrien Nocent OSB and Paul Turner (pastoral side)
Christian Worship: 100,000 Sundays of Symbols and Rituals by Gail Ramshaw (broad appeal; tangential)

Olli-Pekka Ylisuutari

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1182892#Comment_1182892

In the USA, schools are not allowed to use Christian words to label the holidays. They must use secular titles and names and find a secular reason to celebrate a day. And there must also be no racial ties to the holiday.

Maybe clarifying the Christian origins of certain festivals? Speaking, for example, of the near future:

We have Halloween coming up next, which is in many respects a secular festival with secular overtones – but has a deeply Christian background (All Saint’s Day --> All Hallow’s Day --> Halloween).

Many of these festivals have pagan traditions associated with them (many will claim that they were pagan festivals in the first place; I don't care, which was first, the chicken or the egg). As society grows more secular, these pagan backgrounds become more prominent and the Christian backgrounds fade to thin air.

How about this tip: Many Christian communities, trying to shift this emphasis back to its roots, have begun to encourage children to dress in imitation of their patron saints on or near All Saints’ Day, a feast with its own interesting history.

I guess only imagination is the limit in bringing the Christian background of these festivals to the foreground?

In Scandinavia we have this (I guess, rather peculiar) tradition of the First Sunday of Advent (coming up in less than 6 weeks) being one of the most populous Church attendance Sundays.

The historical one year lectionary ties this Sunday closely to the Palm Sunday, even in Gospel Reading. So many, many people and families (much more than normally) come to church to sing Hosanna and wave palm branches. A tip for contemporary education: Why not go to the Florist and buy a bunch of Palm Branches to the 1^st Advent Church?

MJ. Smith

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1182907#Comment_1182907

In Scandinavia we have this (I guess, rather peculiar) tradition of the First Sunday of Advent (coming up in less than 6 weeks) being one of the most populous Church attendance Sundays.

Not as peculiar as the hordes of Catholic who show up on Ash Wednesday - appearently giving away ash (on the forehead) is a real draw [;)] We were always joking that we need to set up an experiment to see which was the bigger draw:

ashes from the Christmas tree
ashes from the previous year's palms from Palm Sunday
commercial ashes - evenly fine and stick to the forehead best.

Olli-Pekka Ylisuutari

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1182909#Comment_1182909

We were always joking that we need to set up an experiment to see which was the bigger draw:

ashes from the Christmas tree

ashes from the previous year's palms from Palm Sunday

commercial ashes - evenly fine and stick to the forehead best.

I must share a true anecdote regarding this topic: we have the exact same tradition in ELCF on Ash Wednesday. One year as the sacristian didn't think what he/she was doing, the ashes were of the wrong species of tree. It turned out that the species of the tree matters, a lot. I don't remember whether it was birch or pine or spruce that the "cocktail" of ash and water was made of. Nevertheless it burned the forehead of everyone attending the Ash Wednesday Service! Call that a visible witness of being a Christian - not just in Ash Wednesday Service, but everywhere: at work, at home, at shopping mall - everywhere with the Sign of Cross at your forehead! [:D] [8-)]

Kathleen Marie

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1182901#Comment_1182901

Olli and MJ, thank you so much for all this information. I am able to borrow some of these books from my library through Hoopla, and I have put in a few interlibrary loan requests.

Hoopla does not seem to have the academic Robert E. Webber books, but just skimming one of the more popular books explained so much about what has felt missing in my seminary classes.

I am growing more and more hungry to learn more about all this. Thank you!

MJ. Smith

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1182911#Comment_1182911

I must share a true anecdote regarding this topic:

Love it [:D] There must be a sermon illustration in there somewhere.

Kathleen Marie

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1182907#Comment_1182907

Many of these festivals have pagan traditions associated with them (many will claim that they were pagan festivals in the first place; I don't care, which was first, the chicken or the egg). As society grows more secular, these pagan backgrounds become more prominent and the Christian backgrounds fade to thin air.

I grow more and more skeptical of any and all claims that Christians appropriated an indigenous practice. The secular claims and rules about appropriation are in constant flux, and I refuse to be held hostage to whatever facts and practices the newest handbooks list as "correct" and legal.

The early Christians were doing a lot more than most secular books and most post-reformation church members think they were doing. The gaps in the Protestant Bibles and church history books lead to some faulty conclusions about what came first.