Intertextual Search from OT to OT or NT to NT

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Rev. Andrew Mark | Forum Activity | Posted: Thu, Oct 29 2020 10:45 AM

Hey all,

I am doing research on Deuteronomy and I am using the intertext feature in the Bible Book Explorer, but it only shows results for the NT. How can I search for results in the OT as well?

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Kevin Clemens | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Oct 29 2020 10:52 AM

Andrew, unless I'm mistaken the Intertext feature in Bible Books Explorer cannot search for OT uses of OT text.

This is because it is visualizing information from the "New Testament Use of the Old Testament Dataset". 

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Rev. Andrew Mark | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Oct 29 2020 10:54 AM

Thank you, Kevin. So, is there a search formula then that can give me such results?

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Kevin Clemens | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Oct 29 2020 11:47 AM

Others may have better solutions, but this is one way I've found has been fruitful in my own study (see the image below)

  1. Run a Search, and select Basic (not Bible).
  2. Set your search parameters to All Text in Old Testament in All Bibles.
  3. Then, in the search box, enter the passage/verse for which you are looking in carrots (e.g. <Deut 6:4-9>)

This will return results for all the footnote references in any given Bible (i.e. cross references already indicated by the editors of a Bible). I find the ESV to be particularly well marked up. 

At the very least, this may provide a good start.

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Rev. Andrew Mark | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Oct 29 2020 12:49 PM

Thank you so much, Kevin! This is a good start! Really appreciate you taking the time!

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Kevin Clemens | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Oct 29 2020 12:53 PM

Andrew Mark:

Thank you so much, Kevin! This is a good start! Really appreciate you taking the time!

Sure thing. I'm bet this resource would be most helpful in such research, but alas!, it won't be published until 2021...

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Rev. Andrew Mark | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Oct 29 2020 1:00 PM

Oh man, YES! Thankfully I have a year and a half until my work on my dissertation intensifies. I already pre-ordered it. Thanks again, Kevin ! Big Smile

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Eli Evans (Faithlife) | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Oct 29 2020 1:02 PM

Kevin is correct. The dataset I'm visualizing only has NT to OT data. You can also consult resources of type:Bible Harmony. We've made quite a few that stretch the traditional definition of parallel passages to include broader allusions.

 

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Phil Gons (Faithlife) | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Nov 1 2020 9:20 AM

Andrew Mark:

Oh man, YES! Thankfully I have a year and a half until my work on my dissertation intensifies. I already pre-ordered it. Thanks again, Kevin ! Big Smile

You might also find https://archive.org/stream/deuterographsdup1894gird#page/n5/mode/2up useful, which will be going up on Community Pricing in the near future.

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Rev. Andrew Mark | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Nov 1 2020 9:29 AM

Thank you, Phil ! Yes

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Eli Evans (Faithlife) | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Nov 2 2020 11:19 AM

The bug in this thread has been fixed, is in testing now, and will appear in a resource update soon. (I did not also add Enoch data, just fixed the bug.) Thanks again!

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PL | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Nov 2 2020 12:36 PM

Hi Eli / Phil,

Any plans to expand this tool to include OT/OT and NT/NT intertextual relationships?

Thanks,

Peter

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Eli Evans (Faithlife) | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Nov 2 2020 1:00 PM

PL:
Any plans to expand this tool to include OT/OT and NT/NT intertextual relationships?

More like inklings of ideas than plans at this point. 

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Phil Gons (Faithlife) | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Nov 2 2020 2:27 PM

Eli Evans (Faithlife):

PL:
Any plans to expand this tool to include OT/OT and NT/NT intertextual relationships?

More like inklings of ideas than plans at this point. 

Vote on these ideas here:

https://feedback.faithlife.com/boards/logos-resource-updates/posts/1083

https://feedback.faithlife.com/boards/logos-resource-updates/posts/1084

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Beloved Amodeo | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Nov 4 2020 11:56 AM

Phil Gons (Faithlife):
This functionality is an important addition. Please vote or explain why you feel this is unimportant in this thread.

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Beloved Amodeo | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Nov 4 2020 7:08 PM

Dave Hooton, I'm reaching out to you as you have been a vocal supporter of this idea in the past. Your comment would go a long way towards firming up support for this idea not to mention your vote. 

Meanwhile, Jesus kept on growing wiser and more mature, and in favor with God and his fellow man.

International Standard Version. (2011). (Lk 2:52). Yorba Linda, CA: ISV Foundation.

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Beloved Amodeo | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Nov 5 2020 6:49 AM

bump

Meanwhile, Jesus kept on growing wiser and more mature, and in favor with God and his fellow man.

International Standard Version. (2011). (Lk 2:52). Yorba Linda, CA: ISV Foundation.

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