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Gregory Lawhorn | Forum Activity | Posted: Fri, Oct 30 2020 10:43 AM

I want to find every place where God is described as our Father.

<Sense = God ⇔ father> only brings back OT references.

<Person God> INTERSECTS <Sense father> brings back references in both OT and NT. The OT references don't describe God as Father, but the NT Testament references do.

(Before you say it, I realize that I could create two passage lists and combine them - that's not my question).

Is there a way to limit the search range INSIDE the search box itself? I seem to remember seeing something like that a few years ago. 

What I would like to be able to do is combine the two searches:

(<Sense = God ⇔ father>) OR (<Person God> INTERSECTS <Sense father> REGIONORWHATEVER New Testament)

So that the first phrase matches the entire Bible and the second phrase only matches the NT. 

Please don't tell me it doesn't make sense. Humor me. 

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Graham Criddle | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Oct 30 2020 10:55 AM

Does this give you what you want?

<Sense = God ⇔ father>  OR ( (<Person God> INTERSECTS <Sense father>) WITHIN {Milestone <Matt-Rev>})

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Sean Boisen | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Oct 30 2020 11:47 AM

This is a feature in Factbook. Go to the Factbook page for God  > Referred to As > Translated As. You'll have to hit More to expose more than just the first few ones. 

Note that how a biblical entity is described in English is translation-specific, so you'll get different counts depending on your preferred Bible. 

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Lane McKay | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Oct 30 2020 12:02 PM

Sean,

Now that is really informative. Great job. Failthlife.

Lane

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Mark Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Oct 30 2020 1:37 PM

Sean Boisen:
This is a feature in Factbook

That's nice as far as it goes.

Some criticisms:

First, that gets you references in the OT Apocrypha and the NT, but not in the OT. Gregory's first search got OT results.

Second, there is no way to turn the list into a Passage List. I have to do a Search to accomplish this. Factbook only has a More 'button'. It doesn't have a "search my library" button so I can search for this data. What am I to do?

Some improvements to Factbook would make this a more complete tool. For now, I'll still need to learn how to do my own searches.

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Gregory Lawhorn | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Oct 31 2020 4:47 PM

Graham Criddle:

Does this give you what you want?

<Sense = God ⇔ father>  OR ( (<Person God> INTERSECTS <Sense father>) WITHIN {Milestone <Matt-Rev>})

it does, thank you Graham

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Mark Smith:
Second, there is no way to turn the list into a Passage List.

This will be in 9.1.

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Mark Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Oct 31 2020 6:46 PM

Andrew Batishko (Faithlife):
This will be in 9.1.

That will be very helpful!

However the results are incomplete as noted. I hope you can address that as well.

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MWW | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Oct 31 2020 7:32 PM

Mark Smith:
First, that gets you references in the OT Apocrypha

As a Protestant, I would prefer not to see the Apocrypha results unless I am specifically looking for them for some reason. Would it be possible to have a setting to restrict this? Or, perhaps make the query return results just from my preferred Bible, which has no Apocrypha?

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Oct 31 2020 8:55 PM

As one who has learned curiosity from my cat, I am hoping that the Factbook results are expanded to include what I think of as paleocanonical - books that have been very influential as semi-caononical at various historical times. I'm thinking Jubilees, Shepherd of Hermas, Letter to the Laodiceans . . . One can control the scope/canon when you run your own search. I would not be fond of debugging forum questions on Factbook if it varied by more that resources owned. It would be like trying to remove Siberia from everywhere in the Encyclopedia Britannica - a bloody mess.

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