What is expected of me? "A post you upvoted...was updated to Needs your opinion."

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Rosie Perera | Forum Activity | Posted: Mon, Nov 2 2020 3:21 PM

Not sure where to post this.

I got an email:

I clicked to view the post (which is here):

What is expected of me? How do I give my opinion other than upvoting, which I already did? This is confusing.

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Bob Pritchett | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Nov 2 2020 3:37 PM

I believe you can Reply or add to the discussion.

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SineNomine | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Nov 2 2020 3:40 PM

All changes in status generate emails.

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Rosie Perera | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Nov 2 2020 4:00 PM

Bob Pritchett:

I believe you can Reply or add to the discussion.

Right, but it's the Needs your opinion that was confusing. I can just ignore this. I don't "need" to respond to someone's comment on there, just because it's something I had upvoted.

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SineNomine | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Nov 2 2020 4:03 PM

Rosie Perera:

Bob Pritchett:

I believe you can Reply or add to the discussion.

Right, but it's the Needs your opinion that was confusing. I can just ignore this. I don't "need" to respond to someone's comment on there, just because it's something I had upvoted.

Items that acquire the "Needs your opinion" status show up on the dashboard. Ones lacking that or any other FL-ascribed status don't.

“I want you to know how the people should behave in the house of God, which is the Church of the living God, the pillar and foundation of the truth.” - 1 Timothy 3:15 (EOB:NT).

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PetahChristian | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Nov 2 2020 4:19 PM

Rosie Perera:
Right, but it's the Needs your opinion that was confusing.

It’s more like “Needs more opinions” before FL might come to a decision. You’re not required to provide additional feedback.

Thanks to FL for including Carta and a Hebrew audio bible in Logos 9!

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SineNomine | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Nov 2 2020 4:29 PM

PetahChristian:

Rosie Perera:
Right, but it's the Needs your opinion that was confusing.

It’s more like “Needs more opinions” before FL might come to a decision.

I read it as, "Faithlife is probably willing to do this if it gets a lot of votes but otherwise maybe not."

“I want you to know how the people should behave in the house of God, which is the Church of the living God, the pillar and foundation of the truth.” - 1 Timothy 3:15 (EOB:NT).

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DIsciple II | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Nov 2 2020 4:40 PM

I have had one of those e-mails and took it as  AI algorithm running in the background trying to bring to users attention posts that meet criteria set by the third party operators of the feedback site, they are simply trying to generate user engagement.  Of course I could be wrong and someone at FL is reviewing list and ticking to indicate they themselves are looking for more comments on that specific idea.

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PetahChristian | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Nov 2 2020 4:43 PM

DIsciple II:
someone at FL is reviewing list and ticking to indicate they themselves are looking for more comments on that specific idea

Yes, someone at FL is changing the status and managing their feedback boards. Feedbear is not directly involved in soliciting feedback for FL.

Thanks to FL for including Carta and a Hebrew audio bible in Logos 9!

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DIsciple II | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Nov 3 2020 12:05 AM

Yes, I realise someone at FL is doing that - I was referring to the topic of the post in terms of AI being able to generate these sort of emails that attempt to engage user.

PetahChristian:

DIsciple II:
someone at FL is reviewing list and ticking to indicate they themselves are looking for more comments on that specific idea

Yes, someone at FL is changing the status and managing their feedback boards. Feedbear is not directly involved in soliciting feedback for FL.

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Rosie Perera | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Nov 3 2020 1:46 AM

Folks, thanks for all the help and ideas. I see this more like the "Your Discussions" link on the forums. If someone has responded to one of your posts since you last looked at that thread, the subject is blue, and otherwise it's grey. On Feedbear, This is merely a notice that someone has commented on one of your ideas. I'm merely critiquing the wording. It doesn't "Need my opinion" -- it already got my opinion (I upvoted it). And it wasn't even my suggestion in the first place; someone else posted it and I upvoted it.

I will happily ignore. I realized that the reason I'm getting these is because of my settings in Feedbear, and I could unsubscribe if I want. But they don't differentiate between "someone commented on a post you upvoted" (which I would unsubscribe from) and "the status of a post you upvoted changed". I would like to see if something I upvoted has changed it status to "Planned" or "Done". But I don't think the status needs to change to "Needs your opinion" if someone comments on it, which is apparently what's happening.

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PetahChristian | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Nov 3 2020 6:08 AM

Rosie Perera:
But I don't think the status needs to change to "Needs your opinion" if someone comments on it, which is apparently what's happening.

The status does not automatically change if someone comments on a post.

FL manually changes the status (from No status to Needs your opinion) for suggestions they want more feedback for, to decide what happens next.

If FL decides to implement the suggestion, they then change the status to Planned, then In progress, then Done.

Thanks to FL for including Carta and a Hebrew audio bible in Logos 9!

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Sean Boisen | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Nov 3 2020 10:11 AM

I'm the one who changed the status. We're still learning how to use this tool. My current practice is to leave the status alone if i'm not sure what we ought to do about it: we might refine the suggestion, or merge it with something else. But once it's past that point of triage, i change it to "Needs your opinion" as a signal that we're actively soliciting others' votes and opinions on the suggestion. I don't think the platform distinguishes that you were the one who suggested it in the first place (so this is a "y'all" use of "your opinion"). You can turn off notifications for all status changes under Personal Settings to the right of your profile picture, but it doesn't appear that you can only hide some status changes. 

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SineNomine | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Nov 3 2020 12:44 PM

PetahChristian:
If FL decides to implement the suggestion, they then change the status to Planned, then In progress, then Done.

I've noticed that some suggestions that have been added (by people other than FL staff) have skipped "Needs your opinion" because it turns out that they were already secretly being planned/worked on. Not to mention ones that were posted just before the release of Logos/Verbum 9 that were already (secretly) Done, or ones that get posted which are requests for books FL already offers or features that already exist. Those just get marked "Done", at least usually with an explanatory comment.

“I want you to know how the people should behave in the house of God, which is the Church of the living God, the pillar and foundation of the truth.” - 1 Timothy 3:15 (EOB:NT).

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DIsciple II | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Nov 3 2020 1:07 PM

Thanks Sean for revealing what / who is behind the curtain.

Sean Boisen:

I'm the one who changed the status. We're still learning how to use this tool. My current practice is to leave the status alone if i'm not sure what we ought to do about it: we might refine the suggestion, or merge it with something else. But once it's past that point of triage, i change it to "Needs your opinion" as a signal that we're actively soliciting others' votes and opinions on the suggestion. I don't think the platform distinguishes that you were the one who suggested it in the first place (so this is a "y'all" use of "your opinion"). You can turn off notifications for all status changes under Personal Settings to the right of your profile picture, but it doesn't appear that you can only hide some status changes. 

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Sean Boisen | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Nov 3 2020 1:47 PM

DIsciple II:

Thanks Sean for revealing what / who is behind the curtain.

Sean Boisen:

I'm the one who changed the status. We're still learning how to use this tool. My current practice is to leave the status alone if i'm not sure what we ought to do about it: we might refine the suggestion, or merge it with something else. But once it's past that point of triage, i change it to "Needs your opinion" as a signal that we're actively soliciting others' votes and opinions on the suggestion. I don't think the platform distinguishes that you were the one who suggested it in the first place (so this is a "y'all" use of "your opinion"). You can turn off notifications for all status changes under Personal Settings to the right of your profile picture, but it doesn't appear that you can only hide some status changes. 

I should qualify this with the fact that I'm doing this for the Logos Data Sets board, since that's my primary area of responsibility: but others are managing the other boards, and they may have different practices. 

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PetahChristian | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Nov 3 2020 1:59 PM

Sean Boisen:
I should qualify this with the fact that I'm doing this for the Logos Data Sets board, since that's my primary area of responsibility: but others are managing the other boards, and they may have different practices.

Relieved to find out that you’re a person, not a background AI algorithm. Wink

Thanks to FL for including Carta and a Hebrew audio bible in Logos 9!

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