Observation on Silicon Macs

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mab | Forum Activity | Posted: Thu, Nov 12 2020 11:23 PM

I noticed a bunch of things on the new Macs that might interest some of you.

  1. Everything about how fast they are appears to be mostly true at least on speed testing,
  2. For all the academic folks who pound out in Office, Microsoft is releasing a Silicon version very soon
  3. Heavy multitasking might not be happy with the current RAM ceiling. How well Silicon manages this is kind of unknown. My guess is that Silicon is really efficient, more so than what we use. But if you are inclined to use 32GB or more, you might want to verify this. My current laptop has 32GB and a dedicated video card, so I am spoiled.
  4. Apple is rather lightweight on ports with these machines. These might chain with adapters, but if you like to hook a lot of things up, this generation might not do it for you just yet.
  5. I think Apple is more than content on this series because they are marketing primarily to an audience that steps up from iPads and iPhones so they don't need all the add ons. They might be a lot longer coming out with more models with the stuff some of us crave.

I still want one, but I am holding off a couple of weeks to make sure this isn't just infatuation. 

The mind of man is the mill of God, not to grind chaff, but wheat. Thomas Manton | Study hard, for the well is deep, and our brains are shallow. Richard Baxter

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Gregory Lawhorn | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Nov 13 2020 5:37 AM

mab:

Everything about how fast they are appears to be mostly true at least on speed testing,

I read this morning that Craig Federighi (Apple software VP) said that Apple itself was surprised at how powerful the M1 is. 

mab:

For all the academic folks who pound out in Office, Microsoft is releasing a Silicon version very soon

I've been a Mac user since the MacSE days (I was the very first student at Talbot with a laptop, a MacBook 100.) I don't think I've ever seen as many apps updated for a new chip system as quick as this. Of course, Apple's Xcode platform probably requires nothing more than a recompile to suit the new chip, at least for basic programs. Logos (like others) is NOT just a basic program, and so it might take the a little longer to produce an M1 version. From what I read this morning, Rosetta 2 will actually translate an Intel app into an M1 app, and then run that executable instead of the original. I believe (could be wrong on this) that Rosetta 2 will also save that translated code, so that the next launch and use gets faster and faster over time. 

mab:

Heavy multitasking might not be happy with the current RAM ceiling. How well Silicon manages this is kind of unknown. My guess is that Silicon is really efficient, more so than what we use. But if you are inclined to use 32GB or more, you might want to verify this. My current laptop has 32GB and a dedicated video card, so I am spoiled.

That will be a big test. My MacBook Pro 16 (2020) has 32GB. The new MacBook Air and MacBook Pro have 8GB. We're being told that SSD speeds are doubled because of the M1 chip, and that could make a huge difference, especially in apps like Logos, that have to do so much interaction with the drive. Perhaps the 8GB will be offset by the SSD speed.

mab:

Apple is rather lightweight on ports with these machines. These might chain with adapters, but if you like to hook a lot of things up, this generation might not do it for you just yet.

As I mentioned, I have a 16" MacBook Pro (2020), which has 4 USB-C ports. That isn't enough, actually, and so I use a CalDigit T3, which is completely filled up. The CalDigit is not cheap (they run about $250), BUT the cost difference between my current machine and the 13" MacBook Air is about $2,000, which makes the CalDigit (or equivalent) a bargain. 

mab:

I think Apple is more than content on this series because they are marketing primarily to an audience that steps up from iPads and iPhones so they don't need all the add ons. They might be a lot longer coming out with more models with the stuff some of us crave.

I agree; it'll probably be June before they announce a full size MacBook Pro. But in the meantime the MacBook Air has suddenly become far more than a tablet with a built-in keyboard. If the speeds are actually as projected, it will do everything that I want to do. I use a large external monitor for the majority of my office work, so the 13" is not too much of an issue for me.

mab:

I still want one, but I am holding off a couple of weeks to make sure this isn't just infatuation. 

I (ahem) actually ordered one, and will have it next week. We just started streaming at our church, and I think it might be the right tool to manage OBS for us at a low cost. I'll reporting on Logos and Proclaim performance on this forum as soon as I can.

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mab | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Nov 13 2020 10:15 AM

Gregory Lawhorn:
I (ahem) actually ordered one, and will have it next week. We just started streaming at our church, and I think it might be the right tool to manage OBS for us at a low cost. I'll reporting on Logos and Proclaim performance on this forum as soon as I can.

We all will love to hear how this turns out. I expect it to shine. I have no doubts about Logos only about how good it might be on this new platform.

The mind of man is the mill of God, not to grind chaff, but wheat. Thomas Manton | Study hard, for the well is deep, and our brains are shallow. Richard Baxter

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Mark Nolette | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Nov 15 2020 1:44 PM

Just want to point out that the M1 MacBook Air and MacBook Pro are available with 16GB memory.  You needn't settle for 8!  But the next gen could offer more.  

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mab | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Nov 15 2020 2:05 PM

Mark Nolette:
Just want to point out that the M1 MacBook Air and MacBook Pro are available with 16GB memory.  You needn't settle for 8!  But the next gen could offer more.  

By all means, it makes sense to extend the usefulness with 16GB. I updated my old Mac to 16GB and that was for a 2012 machine. Wise people buy Macs for the duration and configure them accordingly. 

The mind of man is the mill of God, not to grind chaff, but wheat. Thomas Manton | Study hard, for the well is deep, and our brains are shallow. Richard Baxter

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Tony Walker | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Nov 15 2020 4:19 PM

This just in. even under Rosetta emulation, m1 is till faster than current macs  

https://www.macrumors.com/2020/11/15/m1-chip-emulating-x86-benchmark/ 

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Tony Walker | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Nov 15 2020 4:35 PM

Gregory, when is your supposed to arrive? Mine says that it will arrive tomorrow on the 16th, I wonder if it really will or if UPS will have to hold it since I think Apple said the 17th or 18th was the release date

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John LeBlanc | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Nov 15 2020 4:41 PM

Gregory Lawhorn:

I've been a Mac user since the MacSE days (I was the very first student at Talbot with a laptop, a MacBook 100.) I don't think I've ever seen as many apps updated for a new chip system as quick as this. Of course, Apple's Xcode platform probably requires nothing more than a recompile to suit the new chip, at least for basic programs. Logos (like others) is NOT just a basic program, and so it might take the a little longer to produce an M1 version. From what I read this morning, Rosetta 2 will actually translate an Intel app into an M1 app, and then run that executable instead of the original. I believe (could be wrong on this) that Rosetta 2 will also save that translated code, so that the next launch and use gets faster and faster over time. 

I didn't have the MacBook 100, but I did lug my MacSE around Talbot (I graduated in 1983 -- did our paths cross?)  I still remember the exhilaration of learning the hidden Greek keys on the Mac and turning papers in without having to hand draw the characters!  

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Gregory Lawhorn | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Nov 15 2020 4:44 PM

Tony Walker:

Gregory, when is your supposed to arrive? Mine says that it will arrive tomorrow on the 16th, I wonder if it really will or if UPS will have to hold it since I think Apple said the 17th or 18th was the release date

The tracking says tomorrow, the 16th, but it hasn't left Alaska yet. Not that I have (ahem) checked it three times this afternoon Confused

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Gregory Lawhorn | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Nov 15 2020 4:47 PM

John LeBlanc:

I didn't have the MacBook 100, but I did lug my MacSE around Talbot (I graduated in 1983 -- did our paths cross?)  I still remember the exhilaration of learning the hidden Greek keys on the Mac and turning papers in without having to hand draw the characters!  

I graduated in 1993, so I doubt we came across each other. I still have great memories of profs like Saucy, Gomes, Holloman, Finley, and others. The Lord chose not to answer my prayer to find a church in SoCal; I would have continued on in seminary, I loved the environment. 

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John LeBlanc | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Nov 15 2020 5:00 PM

 I had all those profs, and now serve in a church in SoCal with John Hutchinson.  Nice to meet you Greg.  

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Gregory Lawhorn | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Nov 15 2020 5:04 PM

That's great; good to meet you too, brother!

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Gregory Lawhorn | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Nov 15 2020 5:05 PM

John LeBlanc:

I didn't have the MacBook 100, but I did lug my MacSE around Talbot (I graduated in 1983 -- did our paths cross?)  I still remember the exhilaration of learning the hidden Greek keys on the Mac and turning papers in without having to hand draw the characters!  

Oh, and I bow before anyone who would shlep a MacSE (hopefully in that soft case they made) around campus!

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Andrew116 | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Nov 15 2020 9:56 PM

I'm looking forward to seeing how the new M1 chip goes with Logos. 

Disappointing that the new MacBooks won't support 2 external monitors

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Gregory Lawhorn | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Nov 16 2020 1:08 PM

Gregory Lawhorn:

Tony Walker:

Gregory, when is your supposed to arrive? Mine says that it will arrive tomorrow on the 16th, I wonder if it really will or if UPS will have to hold it since I think Apple said the 17th or 18th was the release date

The tracking says tomorrow, the 16th, but it hasn't left Alaska yet. Not that I have (ahem) checked it three times this afternoon Confused

My MacBook Air is now in Louisville, and scheduled for delivery tomorrow. I've been working on the comparison video for the MacBook Pro part, and I'm all ready for the Air.

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Tony Walker | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Nov 17 2020 9:24 AM
Logos installed and now downloading is at 20% of my 34GB of resources
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Tony Walker | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Nov 17 2020 9:50 AM

at 38%... but in the meantime it is funny feeling to install the iPad version from the App Store of the popular 'Bible' app and also installed the esv app from crossway. It appears to work like you would expect an iPad app to run on a MacBook...

but none of the faith life apps are showing up in the Mac app store under the iPad app category... so I am assuming they have it disabled. I also searched for Audible and Hoopla and they do not show up as well. perhaps a rights issue?

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mab | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Nov 17 2020 10:27 AM

https://www.pcmag.com/reviews/apple-macbook-air-m1-late-2020 Noted here near the bottom was awesome battery life. For mobile folks that is surely going to be important.

The mind of man is the mill of God, not to grind chaff, but wheat. Thomas Manton | Study hard, for the well is deep, and our brains are shallow. Richard Baxter

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Andrew116 | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Nov 17 2020 10:51 AM

Very much looking forward to your findings Tony and Gregory.

if you guys have external monitors one thing I would love to know is whether it really can’t handle 2 external displays. That’s part of my workflow. 

and of course how it handles logos!

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Tony Walker | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Nov 17 2020 10:52 AM

resources have downloaded and it's installing. I don’t have an external monitor though

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