Logos and the MacBook Air M1, compared to a maxed out 2019 MacBook Pro 16"

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John Morgan | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Nov 23 2020 3:42 PM

Gregory Lawhorn:

Gregory Lawhorn:

I'm starting to give serious thought to Ebay'ing the Pro and picking up a 13" Pro with the M1. 



 I’m a quick thinker. I’ve ordered a 13” MacBook Pro with 16GB RAM and 1 TB storage. $10 a month with the 16” as a trade-in. 

So you own a MacBook Air and a MacBook Pro? If so, which do you recommend for Logos? I’m thinking of getting the MacBook Air (M1, 2020) based on this thread, but noticed it doesn’t have a graphics card. Logos recommends a graphics card. How will no graphics card on the MacBook Air effect speed?

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Wilson Hines | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Nov 23 2020 3:53 PM

Mike Prewitt:

Dan Lioy, Ph.D.:

For those debating between the 13” MBP w/ 8 gigs vs. 16 gigs of RAM, the following video comparison is informative: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PP1_4wek4nI

I was just able to watch the video.  This is remarkable, just like he said it several times.  It is remarkable.  The temp was remarkable as well.  The thing for me is buying for the future.  While 8 is probably more than I'll use now, these developers (especially Logos) are going to reach for the sky!

Wilson Hines

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Wilson Hines | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Nov 23 2020 3:55 PM

John Morgan:

Gregory Lawhorn:

Gregory Lawhorn:

I'm starting to give serious thought to Ebay'ing the Pro and picking up a 13" Pro with the M1. 



 I’m a quick thinker. I’ve ordered a 13” MacBook Pro with 16GB RAM and 1 TB storage. $10 a month with the 16” as a trade-in. 

So you own a MacBook Air and a MacBook Pro? If so, which do you recommend for Logos? I’m thinking of getting the MacBook Air (M1, 2020) based on this thread, but noticed it doesn’t have a graphics card. Logos recommends a graphics card. How will no graphics card on the MacBook Air effect speed?

Just to help here, his 16" MBP is an i9, not a M1.  The i9 was about $4,000~ and his Air has very similar performance for almost 1/4 the cost. 

Wilson Hines

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Gregory Lawhorn | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Nov 23 2020 4:06 PM

Wilson Hines:

Just to help here, his 16" MBP is an i9, not a M1.  The i9 was about $4,000~ and his Air has very similar performance for almost 1/4 the cost. 

Yes

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Wilson Hines | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Nov 23 2020 4:25 PM

John Morgan:

Gregory Lawhorn:

Gregory Lawhorn:

I'm starting to give serious thought to Ebay'ing the Pro and picking up a 13" Pro with the M1. 



 I’m a quick thinker. I’ve ordered a 13” MacBook Pro with 16GB RAM and 1 TB storage. $10 a month with the 16” as a trade-in. 

 Logos recommends a graphics card. How will no graphics card on the MacBook Air effect speed?

John, be sure and watch Gregory's video.  You do not need a discrete video card, it's built right in the M1!  It works wonderfully.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_p8wtfzRzfs&feature=youtu.be

Wilson Hines

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Wilson Hines | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Nov 23 2020 4:35 PM

Get a load of this.  Education only, 128 GB M1 Air for $799:

https://9to5mac.com/2020/11/20/128gb-m1-macbook-air/

I know exactly what my daughter will be getting for her January 9th, 18 birthday to get her started in college.

Wilson Hines

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John Morgan | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Nov 23 2020 4:57 PM

Thanks Wilson Hines

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Waad Haddad | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Nov 23 2020 9:29 PM

Pastor Gregory,

I deeply appreciate your timely video which has convinced me to purchase MBA. However, I have a couple of questions. First, if I buy MBA with 1 TB SSD, must I buy 8 GB unified memory OR 16 GB unified memory? The difference is $ 200. In other words, how much RAM do I need with 1 TB SSD? Knowing that I mostly use MS Word and Logos all day long (no video editing and no games). Second, for the first time, I will be buying an external monitor to use with my new computer (and for Logos), what do you recommend? Your help is greatly appreciated. 

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Gregory Lawhorn | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Nov 24 2020 4:18 AM

Waad Haddad:

Pastor Gregory,

I deeply appreciate your timely video which has convinced me to purchase MBA. However, I have a couple of questions. First, if I buy MBA with 1 TB SSD, must I buy 8 GB unified memory OR 16 GB unified memory? The difference is $ 200. In other words, how much RAM do I need with 1 TB SSD? Knowing that I mostly use MS Word and Logos all day long (no video editing and no games). Second, for the first time, I will be buying an external monitor to use with my new computer (and for Logos), what do you recommend? Your help is greatly appreciated. 

Thank you for the kind words, Waad. The amount of RAM doesn't have anything to do with the amount of storage. Based on your use, 8GB RAM would be fine. 

I have two ViewSonic external monitors, a 32-inch and a 43-inch. The 43 is REALLY big on a desk. If you can get a piece of cardboard that is 28 inches wide and 16 inches tall, you can see how big the 32 inch would be on your desk. The 43 inch would be 37 inches wide and 21 inches tall. 

The M1 laptops only have two USB-C ports, so I recommend using a hub if you can, so that you can use more than two peripherals. 

If you are going to use an external monitor, I recommend using an external keyboard and mouse/trackpad as well. You'll have the laptop plugged in to power and the monitor (or a hub) and it isn't going to be easily moved on your desktop. 

I hope all this is helpful to you.

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Gregory Lawhorn | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Nov 24 2020 4:18 AM

Wilson Hines:

Get a load of this.  Education only, 128 GB M1 Air for $799:

https://9to5mac.com/2020/11/20/128gb-m1-macbook-air/

I know exactly what my daughter will be getting for her January 9th, 18 birthday to get her started in college.

Yes

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John Morgan | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Nov 24 2020 5:28 AM

Gregory Lawhorn:

Waad Haddad:

Pastor Gregory,

I deeply appreciate your timely video which has convinced me to purchase MBA. However, I have a couple of questions. First, if I buy MBA with 1 TB SSD, must I buy 8 GB unified memory OR 16 GB unified memory? The difference is $ 200. In other words, how much RAM do I need with 1 TB SSD? Knowing that I mostly use MS Word and Logos all day long (no video editing and no games). Second, for the first time, I will be buying an external monitor to use with my new computer (and for Logos), what do you recommend? Your help is greatly appreciated. 

Thank you for the kind words, Waad. The amount of RAM doesn't have anything to do with the amount of storage. Based on your use, 8GB RAM would be fine. 

I have two ViewSonic external monitors, a 32-inch and a 43-inch. The 43 is REALLY big on a desk. If you can get a piece of cardboard that is 28 inches wide and 16 inches tall, you can see how big the 32 inch would be on your desk. The 43 inch would be 37 inches wide and 21 inches tall. 

The M1 laptops only have two USB-C ports, so I recommend using a hub if you can, so that you can use more than two peripherals. 

If you are going to use an external monitor, I recommend using an external keyboard and mouse/trackpad as well. You'll have the laptop plugged in to power and the monitor (or a hub) and it isn't going to be easily moved on your desktop. 

I hope all this is helpful to you.

So, you recommend an external keyboard and mouse/trackpad because its easier to use an external monitor with them?  Is that what you are saying? If so, I'm curious how the mouse/trackpad make using an external monitor more efficient.  Can you explain?

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Lee | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Nov 24 2020 6:26 AM

Gregory How about Logos indexing? have you tested the time for a full index using the MacBook Pro 16 vs the new MacBook Air M1?

I am looking at getting the MacBook Pro M1 with 16GB and the 1TB SSD, but with the Covid issue I will not be returning to the USA until some time next year.

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Gregory Lawhorn | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Nov 24 2020 6:29 AM

John Morgan:

So, you recommend an external keyboard and mouse/trackpad because its easier to use an external monitor with them?  Is that what you are saying? If so, I'm curious how the mouse/trackpad make using an external monitor more efficient.  Can you explain?

A picture is worth 993 words (inflation). You have to forgive the mess of my desk. This morning as I'm starting sermon prep for next Sunday, this is what I see." I find it much, much easier to use a full size keyboard and trackpad when I am connected to my external monitor. I prefer not using a palm rest for a keyboard, and I like having the trackpad or trackball (you might see the Kensington Expert Mouse on the desk – I go back and forth) to my right instead of right in front of me.

Incidentally, behind the MacBook Pro is a CalDigit T3 hub that connects everything up. There is just one USB-C cable plugged into my MacBook. The piano keyboard is a Yamaha MODX 8. There's another 32 inch monitor on the wall above that, which is off at the moment. And bats live behind the white door, so I never need to go in there.

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Mike Prewitt | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Nov 24 2020 6:49 AM

Another extremely positive review of the Mac Air M1:

https://www.cultofmac.com/728477/m1-macbook-air-review/ 

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Gregory Lawhorn | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Nov 24 2020 6:49 AM

Lee:

Gregory How about Logos indexing? have you tested the time for a full index using the MacBook Pro 16 vs the new MacBook Air M1?

I am looking at getting the MacBook Pro M1 with 16GB and the 1TB SSD, but with the Covid issue I will not be returning to the USA until some time next year.

Hi Lee. Indexing is a brutal operation. I didn't do an exact comparison, but the M1 took about 30 minutes longer than the Pro for the initial, full index. The Pro was about 2-1/2 hours, and the Air about 3 hours. 

I just downloaded the November free book and compared indexing times. The MacBook Pro 16" was right at 5 minutes. The Air was about 7 minutes. Because the Air has no fan, it throttles the processor to keep heat under control. I have a MacBook Pro 13" M1 on order, which has a fan. I'll repeat these tests once it comes, and I expect that it will index more quickly because it has a fan, and can deal with heat more efficiently.

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Wilson Hines | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Nov 24 2020 7:31 AM

Gregory Lawhorn:

Lee:

Gregory How about Logos indexing? have you tested the time for a full index using the MacBook Pro 16 vs the new MacBook Air M1?

I am looking at getting the MacBook Pro M1 with 16GB and the 1TB SSD, but with the Covid issue I will not be returning to the USA until some time next year.

Hi Lee. Indexing is a brutal operation. I didn't do an exact comparison, but the M1 took about 30 minutes longer than the Pro for the initial, full index. The Pro was about 2-1/2 hours, and the Air about 3 hours. 

I just downloaded the November free book and compared indexing times. The MacBook Pro 16" was right at 5 minutes. The Air was about 7 minutes. Because the Air has no fan, it throttles the processor to keep heat under control. I have a MacBook Pro 13" M1 on order, which has a fan. I'll repeat these tests once it comes, and I expect that it will index more quickly because it has a fan, and can deal with heat more efficiently.

how many resources do you have? I have over 9000 and I cannot wait to do the indexing on my new Pro. I’m sure it’ll be a lot faster than the Air because of the throttling  

Wilson Hines

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Gregory Lawhorn | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Nov 24 2020 7:34 AM

Wilson Hines:

how many resources do you have? I have over 9000 and I cannot wait to do the indexing on my new Pro. I’m sure it’ll be a lot faster than the Air because of the throttling  

I'm sorry, I should have said; I have around 9,800 resources. I don't know if the number of resources affects the indexing of a single new resource, but obviously would impact the full index time. 

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Wilson Hines | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Nov 24 2020 7:35 AM

Gregory Lawhorn:

Wilson Hines:

how many resources do you have? I have over 9000 and I cannot wait to do the indexing on my new Pro. I’m sure it’ll be a lot faster than the Air because of the throttling  

I'm sorry, I should have said; I have around 9,800 resources. I don't know if the number of resources affects the indexing of a single new resource, but obviously would impact the full index time. 

not the individual books. 

Wilson Hines

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John Morgan | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Nov 24 2020 9:49 AM

Gregory Lawhorn:

John Morgan:

So, you recommend an external keyboard and mouse/trackpad because its easier to use an external monitor with them?  Is that what you are saying? If so, I'm curious how the mouse/trackpad make using an external monitor more efficient.  Can you explain?

A picture is worth 993 words (inflation). You have to forgive the mess of my desk. This morning as I'm starting sermon prep for next Sunday, this is what I see." I find it much, much easier to use a full size keyboard and trackpad when I am connected to my external monitor. I prefer not using a palm rest for a keyboard, and I like having the trackpad or trackball (you might see the Kensington Expert Mouse on the desk – I go back and forth) to my right instead of right in front of me.

Incidentally, behind the MacBook Pro is a CalDigit T3 hub that connects everything up. There is just one USB-C cable plugged into my MacBook. The piano keyboard is a Yamaha MODX 8. There's another 32 inch monitor on the wall above that, which is off at the moment. And bats live behind the white door, so I never need to go in there.

Thanks. That is very helpful.

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JT (alabama24) | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Nov 24 2020 10:45 AM

Gregory Lawhorn:
Indexing is a brutal operation.

When I purchased L4 (my first real foray into Logos), I had a brand new Mac. The indexing took more than12 hours! 

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