Four Views Books... when will we get an update?

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Mattillo | Forum Activity | Posted: Tue, Dec 8 2020 11:41 AM

I was looking at the 4 views books and I noticed two that were missing (i'm sure there are more but I don't know off hand).  Any idea when Logos will get these Zondervan titles? 

Four Views on Creation, Evolution, and Intelligent Design (2017)

https://www.amazon.com/Creation-Evolution-Intelligent-Design-Counterpoints/dp/0310080975/ 

Four Views on Hell: Second Edition (2016)

https://www.amazon.com/Four-Views-Hell-Counterpoints-Theology/dp/0310516463 

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Mattillo | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Dec 8 2020 11:43 AM

Side note: The 2nd edition of Hell was in FLEB back in the day but exists no more

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GregW | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Dec 8 2020 2:19 PM

That's very strange. I've got both editions of Four Views on Hell. I wonder if they've made the wrong book unavailable. The second edition is in a different league from the first one, and I suspect a second edition was produced because they weren't entirely happy with the first edition. I just searched for LLS:9780310516644 (the resource ID for the second edition) on the entire Logos site and it's definitely not there. 

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Brad | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Dec 8 2020 7:04 PM

GregW:

That's very strange. I've got both editions of Four Views on Hell. I wonder if they've made the wrong book unavailable. The second edition is in a different league from the first one, and I suspect a second edition was produced because they weren't entirely happy with the first edition. I just searched for LLS:9780310516644 (the resource ID for the second edition) on the entire Logos site and it's definitely not there. 

Interesting point, Greg.  I have both editions in my Logos library too.

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Jan Krohn | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Dec 9 2020 5:41 AM

GregW:
I wonder if they've made the wrong book unavailable.

They keypt the fully tagged book, and scraped the ebook, even if it was the newer edition.

Sounds quite intentional to me. (But it's not in the interest of the customers.)

But anyway, I own the ebook edition too, so I'm not complaining.

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GregW | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Dec 9 2020 7:45 AM

Jan Krohn:
They keypt the fully tagged book, and scraped the ebook, even if it was the newer edition.

The second edition is a completely different book, written by a different set of writers. 

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NB.Mick | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Dec 9 2020 7:59 AM

GregW:
The second edition is a completely different book, written by a different set of writers. 

And it includes the first book, which is a unique thing.

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Paul Caneparo | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Dec 9 2020 8:12 AM

NB.Mick:

GregW:
The second edition is a completely different book, written by a different set of writers. 

And it includes the first book, which is a unique thing.

I wonder whether that's the reason the second edition has disappeared from Faithlife. I don't believe the Kindle version includes both. Perhaps Faithlife will be making the second edition available as a standard alone volume.

Thankfully I too bought while it was available.

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NB.Mick | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Dec 9 2020 8:32 AM

Paul Caneparo:
I don't believe the Kindle version includes both.

Why should it be different? Faithlife eBooks simply convert the product as provided by the publisher.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B010R9L4BC?ref=dbs_p2d_P_R_kindle_available_T2 says:

"BONUS CONTENT: Includes entire first edition of Four Views on Hell to help readers grasp the history of the discussion and how it has developed over the last twenty years."

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Paul Caneparo | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Dec 9 2020 9:22 AM

NB.Mick:

Paul Caneparo:
I don't believe the Kindle version includes both.

Why should it be different? Faithlife eBooks simply convert the product as provided by the publisher.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B010R9L4BC?ref=dbs_p2d_P_R_kindle_available_T2 says:

"BONUS CONTENT: Includes entire first edition of Four Views on Hell to help readers grasp the history of the discussion and how it has developed over the last twenty years."

UK Amazon appears not to have the bonus content.

Correction. I've now downloaded a Kindle sample, as the preview wasn't showing the bonus content and the page count looked too small to be 2 volumes. The UK also includes the bonus content.

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Mattillo | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Dec 10 2020 7:34 AM

I would be interested to here FL's reply... pretty please! Big Smile

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PL | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Dec 10 2020 9:36 AM

I have Four Views on Hell Second Edition in both Logos (ebook) and Amazon (US). They both contain the full First Edition.

Logos.com currently only carries the First Edition but no longer the Second Edition. Not sure why. Faithlife?

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DAL | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Dec 10 2020 10:04 AM

GregW:

Jan Krohn:
They keypt the fully tagged book, and scraped the ebook, even if it was the newer edition.

The second edition is a completely different book, written by a different set of writers. 

The second edition was available as a Faithlife ebook first.  I’m not sure if it ever got converted to a Logos research edition.

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PL | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Dec 10 2020 11:46 AM

Mine is still Logos ebook edition.

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Mattillo | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Feb 21 2021 2:47 PM

Bump

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Mattillo | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jul 12 2021 11:36 AM

BUMP; still waiting for 4 views on hell second edition to either come back to FLEB or get into Logos

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DAL | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jul 14 2021 12:00 PM

Mattillo:

BUMP; still waiting for 4 views on hell second edition to either come back to FLEB or get into Logos

So the one I have is not a Logos edition? I have Edition 1 and 2 in my Library 👍😁👌

DAL

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