Analysis of the usefulness of Logos 9 base packages

Page 2 of 2 (31 items) < Previous 1 2
This post has 30 Replies | 0 Followers

Posts 19139
Rosie Perera | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Dec 17 2020 7:19 PM

David Ames:
But FL implies that this is the package you should buy if you are “Baptist”.

Not necessarily. They just offer a bundle at a discount of resources usually associated with Baptists, so Baptists can benefit from them. But many of us buy packages from different traditions than our own in order to get good deals on a large selection of books. Or because we're ecumenical/transdenominational Christians and are interested in some of the historical or other stuff that the Catholics or Anglicans or Orthodox traditions have in them.

I have bought base packages of Anglican, Lutheran, Orthodox, Pentecostal & Charismatic, Reformed, and Verbum (Catholic). I wish there were an Anabaptist base package, as that's what I associate with most these days, but I have bits and pieces of all those others in me (except Lutheran; but Luther and his influence are wide, and it's worth having in my Library). The only type of base package I have not bought is Baptist.

Posts 2689
mab | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Dec 17 2020 9:14 PM

I really do want to encourage believers to dig into their Bibles so they can see the Gospel for themselves. Frankly, it mostly comes by reading the Bible over and over again. Now with Logos, you can have that Bible with you everywhere, so I would never discount the usefulness of the program. 

The mind of man is the mill of God, not to grind chaff, but wheat. Thomas Manton | Study hard, for the well is deep, and our brains are shallow. Richard Baxter

Posts 7860
DAL | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Dec 17 2020 11:30 PM

mab:

I really do want to encourage believers to dig into their Bibles so they can see the Gospel for themselves. Frankly, it mostly comes by reading the Bible over and over again. Now with Logos, you can have that Bible with you everywhere, so I would never discount the usefulness of the program. 

Exactly! And if reading the Bible and the ability to take notes is all you need, then nobody needs to spend “half month’s rent” to do that.  When I was a kid I only had a small blue NT with Psalms and Proverbs and I always carried it in my pocket.  And I was happy and learned a lot.  Maybe we need to go back to making things simple.

DAL

Posts 1613
Forum MVP
Veli Voipio | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Dec 18 2020 12:31 AM

Rosie Perera:

But many of us buy packages from different traditions than our own in order to get good deals on a large selection of books. Or because we're ecumenical/transdenominational Christians and are interested in some of the historical or other stuff that the Catholics or Anglicans or Orthodox traditions have in them.

I have bought base packages of Anglican, Lutheran, Orthodox, Pentecostal & Charismatic, Reformed, and Verbum (Catholic). I wish there were an Anabaptist base package, as that's what I associate with most these days, but I have bits and pieces of all those others in me (except Lutheran; but Luther and his influence are wide, and it's worth having in my Library). The only type of base package I have not bought is Baptist.

I agree. Martin Luther himself was a member of Catholic church all his life, thus I feel ok to be non-tunnel-view Lutheran. And from non-Christian point of view all the Christian denominations are just the same. 

How about a Messianic base package, do you have any?

Gold package, and original language material and ancient text material, SIL and UBS books, discourse Hebrew OT and Greek NT. PC with Windows 8.1

Posts 2154
Joseph Turner | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Dec 18 2020 3:11 AM

Rosie Perera:

But many of us buy packages from different traditions than our own in order to get good deals on a large selection of books. Or because we're ecumenical/transdenominational Christians and are interested in some of the historical or other stuff that the Catholics or Anglicans or Orthodox traditions have in them.

I have bought base packages of Anglican, Lutheran, Orthodox, Pentecostal & Charismatic, Reformed, and Verbum (Catholic).

This is exactly how I buy as well.  I buy every base package I can afford that offers me resources I want for a considerable discount.  For instance, the first time I bought an Anglican package was to get the entire ICC set for considerably less than the set itself would cost.  Since that time, Anglican always offers me a relatively cheap upgrade for several scholarly resources.  Notice that the current L9 iteration of Anglican Portfolio includes ICC, AYBC, Herm, and the Socio-Rhetorical Commentary Series, so it's great for research no matter your background.

Disclaimer:  I hate using messaging, texting, and email for real communication.  If anything that I type to you seems like anything other than humble and respectful, then I have not done a good job typing my thoughts.

Posts 4837
SineNomine | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Jan 3 2021 12:30 PM

David Ames:
What FL base package can teach a new convert to your 'group' everything they need to know about your 'groups' practices and beliefs from only the FL resources in the base package?     Yes, what base package teaches the 'fundamentals' of the 'group'

My 'group' is the Catholic Church, and at the moment the cheapest FL base package that "teaches the 'fundamentals'" of this 'group' is Verbum 8 Fundamentals. At $49.00 USD, it's a pretty good deal for folks new to the Faithlife ecosystem.

“I want you to know how the people should behave in the house of God, which is the Church of the living God, the pillar and foundation of the truth.” - 1 Timothy 3:15 (EOB:NT).

Posts 2757
David Ames | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Jan 3 2021 3:30 PM

SineNomine:

David Ames:
What FL base package can teach a new convert to your 'group' everything they need to know about your 'groups' practices and beliefs from only the FL resources in the base package?     Yes, what base package teaches the 'fundamentals' of the 'group'

My 'group' is the Catholic Church, and at the moment the cheapest FL base package that "teaches the 'fundamentals'" of this 'group' is Verbum 8 Fundamentals. At $49.00 USD, it's a pretty good deal for folks new to the Faithlife ecosystem.

Good!  With the Catechism of the Catholic Church And YouCat in most Verbum packages, Yes, Catholic fundamentals are covered from the start.

All (most?) of the rest skip the fundamentals of their faith from what has been said in this thread. 

Posts 1777
Ken McGuire | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Jan 3 2021 3:59 PM

David Ames:

Good!  With the Catechism of the Catholic Church And YouCat in most Verbum packages, Yes, Catholic fundamentals are covered from the start.

All (most?) of the rest skip the fundamentals of their faith from what has been said in this thread. 

Well, as a Lutheran, our doctrinal standard, namely The Book of Concord, is in Lutheran Starter and up. There is a bit of a problem with lack of Lutheran Unity, and so the rough equivalents to YouCat varies by Lutheran body - but one of them, namely the Lutheran Handbook series is in Lutheran Bronze and up, and a few others are available as reasonable price additions.

Where I said the Lutheran packages failed was with regards to Worship. Our various Lectionaries are included, but beyond that, nope. Verbum gets to have the full English Missal in Bronze and up. I wish the modern Lutheran equivalents were available for us to, but as I put above, I suspect that this is a publisher issue. But part of me wishes that the packages for us "Liturgical" churches had more worship related resources in Starter - including Verbum Starter, although Anglican Starter does look good to me in this.

That said, I must defer to actual Roman Catholics in this for their packages.

The Gospel is not ... a "new law," on the contrary, ... a "new life." - William Julius Mann

L8 Anglican, Lutheran and Orthodox Silver, Reformed Starter, Academic Essentials

L7 Lutheran Gold, Anglican Bronze

Posts 2757
David Ames | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Jan 3 2021 5:16 PM

Thanks to all that replied or just read this thread.  

What next?  There are several "group" sub forums.  [I am using "groups" in place of calling them denominational forums]

What I see as the next step is for someone in each "group" to start a thread on the list of resources that are in or are needed to be in FL to make the "group" Basic Package a true base for a new member to start with and learn what that "group" is about in more detail than an evangelist event provides.  Yes, there are "splits" in (probably) most "groups".  But most "groups" have more internally in common to the "group" than what other "group" have internally in their "group" 

So I will watch for the threads on the ideal basic package for our "group" in at least some of the "group" forums. 

[[So when Logos 10 arrives we can all purchase all of the Basic Packages and we will have from the words of the "group" what they are about rather then the misinformation that those in our "group" think that the other "group" is like]]

Posts 1952
mike | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Jan 3 2021 9:21 PM

Denise:

I can't imagine wanting to get a friend to buy into a premium-priced platform that locks them in ... unless they already were on that road (eg pastors, serious studiers, etc). In 15 years, I don't think I've ever recommended Logos

1000% agree. I stopped recommending Logos to anyone. The price doesn't reflect the ability the more I look at it. Tagging system is the worst of all and yet it's the #1 feature they tout. And I wouldn't recommend spending "this" much when they don't know what missing feature they're going to need and the amount of money loss soon from their bank account. 

Posts 31318
Forum MVP
MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Jan 3 2021 10:45 PM

mike:
Tagging system is the worst of all and yet it's the #1 feature they tout

I would be interested in hearing why you say this ... not because I question it but because I wonder what you'd like the tagging to be like.

Orthodox Bishop Hilarion Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."

Page 2 of 2 (31 items) < Previous 1 2 | RSS