Please explain how these resources will tie into L9

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John Fidel | Forum Activity | Posted: Thu, Dec 17 2020 3:08 PM

In the features section there are a number of "All the......" resources that are in development. A few have recently been added to my library. The start as a monograph and then change to a commentary, but not one that, at least yet, will populate in the Passage guide. Can someone explain how these are best to be utilized in L9? I am trying to figure out how to tag them and then incorporate them into my studies.

Here is a list:

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Andrew Batishko | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Dec 17 2020 3:40 PM

They were built with Factbook in mind. Each of the articles should also be an entry that can be found in Factbook.

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John Fidel | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Dec 17 2020 4:20 PM

Since they are topical it seems Bible concordance may be a better type than commentary or monograph. Or maybe a new type for factbook. i will just wait and see when you are finished to decide on tagging. Thanks. 

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xnman | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Dec 18 2020 6:16 AM

In WS I used "All the Mesianic Prophecies"  and "All the Parables" and some of the others a lot. I like Herbert Lockyer works. For the most part Herbert has done good research into his work. If you don't have them, they are worth getting.

When it comes to doing research for a sermon or  study.... can one have tooo much research material? hmmm....

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Kiyah | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Dec 18 2020 8:02 AM

Andrew Batishko (Faithlife):

They were built with Factbook in mind. Each of the articles should also be an entry that can be found in Factbook.

Can you please elaborate on exactly how they will work with the Factbook? This has been the biggest mystery for me when trying to decide on an upgrade level.

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xnman | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Dec 18 2020 8:26 AM

Since, as I understand it, Factbook (FB) searches almost all things...  I would think FB would search through the "All" books also. Why not?

But I am still learning the ins and outs of FB. I like what I see so far..

One thing I have not learned... can I set up books for FB to search through... like a collection or tags or something and tell FB to search them?

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Andrew Batishko | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Dec 18 2020 8:38 AM

Kiyah:
Can you please elaborate on exactly how they will work with the Factbook?

The resource features an article for every occurrence of whatever type the resource is focused on. Articles in the resource show up as entries in Factbook whose Key Article is an excerpt from the resource.

These Factbook pages can be related to other Factbook pages, and you can find links in the See Also section that represent this relationship. So, the Factbook page for "Jesus" and "Jesus Walks on Water" are linked to each other in their See Also section.

The existence the Factbook pages and the relationships between the pages does not require a license to the "All the * in the Bible" resources, but the Key Article and resource do require the license.

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Andrew Batishko | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Dec 18 2020 8:41 AM

xnman:
can I set up books for FB to search through... like a collection or tags or something and tell FB to search them?

No, but you can do this by customizing a Topic Guide.

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Kiyah | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Dec 18 2020 9:16 AM

Andrew Batishko (Faithlife):
The existence the Factbook pages and the relationships between the pages does not require a license to the "All the * in the Bible" resources, but the Key Article and resource do require the license.

But wouldn't they require the corresponding datasets for the Factbook pages to work?

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Andrew Batishko | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Dec 18 2020 9:40 AM

Kiyah:
But wouldn't they require the corresponding datasets for the Factbook pages to work?

The dataset that powers the rest of these Factbook pages (besides the Key Article) is the Logos Controlled Vocabulary Dataset, which you already own. https://www.logos.com/product/25628/logos-controlled-vocabulary-dataset

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Kiyah | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Dec 18 2020 11:07 AM

Andrew Batishko (Faithlife):

Kiyah:
But wouldn't they require the corresponding datasets for the Factbook pages to work?

The dataset that powers the rest of these Factbook pages (besides the Key Article) is the Logos Controlled Vocabulary Dataset, which you already own. https://www.logos.com/product/25628/logos-controlled-vocabulary-dataset

So the "All the...in the Bible" datasets connect the "All the...in the Bible" library resources to the Key Article section in the Factbook. Am I understanding that correctly?

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Andrew Batishko | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Dec 18 2020 11:30 AM

The library resources themselves enable Factbook to display them as a Key Article.

The datasets enable you to search your Bibles for instances of the things this data is tagging. For example, you could search for {Label Miracle WHERE Agent ~ <Person Paul>} to find all the Miracles where Paul was the agent of that miracle. Each dataset has its own distinct list of properties that can be searched for.

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Dec 18 2020 3:14 PM

Andrew Batishko (Faithlife):
For example, you could search for {Label Miracle WHERE Agent ~ <Person Paul>} to find all the Miracles where Paul was the agent of that miracle. Each dataset has its own distinct list of properties that can be searched for.

And where will the search be documented? I don't see it in the resource.

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xnman | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Dec 18 2020 3:21 PM

Oookay....This is going to me up as being a newbie.... so be it...

{Label Miracle WHERE Agent ~ <Person Paul>}

I see many posts that have some sort of search like the one above this line. 

How does one learn how to do all these formula searches and what the formula is? I have tried a couple of my own... and sat there and stared at a blank screen as results... so it is very apparent I don't know how to write these special formulas....  

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Andrew Batishko | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Dec 18 2020 3:40 PM

MJ. Smith:
And where will the search be documented? I don't see it in the resource.

I'm sorry, I don't have an answer to that, and some key people are not available for answering such questions at this time.

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Andrew Batishko | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Dec 18 2020 3:41 PM

The easiest way to do/learn these searches is to find an example using the right click menu and start a search from there. Then edit it to match what you need, and rely on autocomplete as needed.

Example:

Right click on "Beginning" in John 1:1. On the left side of the context menu, find and select an Intertext label. Pick one that has similar properties to what you might be interested in. You might need to expand one of the groups of items to find one. Then from the right side, select the Basic search option. This will open a new search panel with as search like this: {Label Intertext WHERE Corpus ~ "Apostolic Fathers" AND Relationship ~ "Allusion" AND Target ~ <ApostolicFathers Ignatius to the Ephesians 15.1–2>}

If you want to find all other Allusions in the Apostolic Fathers, edit the search text to look more like this: {Label Intertext WHERE Corpus ~ "Apostolic Fathers" AND Relationship ~ "Allusion"}

Also, many datasets have associated documentation that can be found in your library by using the sidebar to filter on the type "Manual". Some of these resources will provide details on constructing searches for that dataset.

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xnman | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Dec 18 2020 3:56 PM

Andrew Batishko.......

Thank you, thank you, thank you. That is very helpful. Believe me, I have searched and searched.... Thank you.

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Sean Boisen | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Dec 18 2020 4:07 PM

MJ. Smith:

Andrew Batishko (Faithlife):
For example, you could search for {Label Miracle WHERE Agent ~ <Person Paul>} to find all the Miracles where Paul was the agent of that miracle. Each dataset has its own distinct list of properties that can be searched for.

And where will the search be documented? I don't see it in the resource.

That's an oversight on my part MJ: we should add to the Introduction (which each of these resources should eventually have) to indicate how to do label searches. I'll add this to our task list. 

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Dec 18 2020 4:33 PM

Thanks Sean

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Dec 18 2020 4:37 PM

xnman:
How does one learn how to do all these formula searches and what the formula is?

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et.al. provide examples, points you to the documentation etc.

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