Oxford Latin Dictionary Incomplete

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David Dickenson | Forum Activity | Posted: Tue, Dec 29 2020 1:16 PM

Has anyone else purchased the Oxford Latin Dictionary, 2nd edition, and found that it is incomplete? For example, the only entries under "V" are proper names. I emailed Logos support a long while back (perhaps two years or more ago) and was told that they were working on it.

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SineNomine | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Dec 31 2020 5:40 PM

I don't have it, but surely you're not the only one on the forums who has it...

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Kyle G. Anderson | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jan 4 2021 11:05 AM

I doesn't look like it's missing anything.

It looks like in the print edition the letters "U" and "V" are combined into a single entry but in our edition they're split into separate entries. This is due to how the publisher provided us materials to convert the resource into a Logos Edition. If memory serves me we used the files they use for an online source and follows the separate "U" and "V" paradigm.

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David Dickenson | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jan 8 2021 12:06 PM

I will attach a screenshot. The U and V entries are indeed separate. The problem I am having is that the V entries are limited to capitalized words (mostly proper names but also, for instance, adjectives based on a name). I have tried to type in various words to search for entries that should be there (ventus, for instance), and the entry is simply absent from my dictionary.

The screenshot shows the table of contents on the left with the U entries appearing normally in groups, but the V entries with only the single, capitalized entries.

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Tom Reynolds | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jan 8 2021 1:30 PM

I don't have the OLD so I can't check but what happens if you open the ventus entry in another Latin dictionary. Are you able to right arrow / left arrow to the OLD entry for ventus?

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Kyle G. Anderson | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jan 8 2021 1:34 PM

This is related to how the publisher organized the entries, and based on my extremely limited knowledge of Latin, how they handled the interrelated letters "u" and "v". As you noticed most proper names are spelled with a "V" whereas all other entries are spelled with a "u". This means "ventus" would be spelled "uentus". This is true in the print as well. The main difference between the online and print is online (which we followed) u/v are split out into two separate letters "u" and "v" and in the print they're alphabetized and grouped under the entry "u, v".

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DMB | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jan 8 2021 1:57 PM

Kyle G. Anderson:
This is related to how the publisher organized the entries

Ditto in CAD ... else the user is moving frustratingly between volumes (hardcopy).

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David Dickenson | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jan 8 2021 2:07 PM

OHHHH.... I see now. Thank you. This solves my "problem."

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SineNomine | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jan 9 2021 10:59 AM

Tom Reynolds:

I don't have the OLD so I can't check but what happens if you open the ventus entry in another Latin dictionary. Are you able to right arrow / left arrow to the OLD entry for ventus?

I'm interested in the answer to this question as someone who might eventually purchase the OLD.

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David Dickenson | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jan 9 2021 11:38 AM

I checked and I was not able to right/left arrow over from "ventus" in another dictionary to "uentus" in OLD. My Dictionary of the Vulgate New Testament has the entry "uentus," so I could arrow over to and from OLD for that entry. My Elementary Latin Dictionary, which has "ventus," would not go to OLD "uentus."

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SineNomine | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jan 9 2021 7:22 PM

David Dickenson:

I checked and I was not able to right/left arrow over from "ventus" in another dictionary to "uentus" in OLD. My Dictionary of the Vulgate New Testament has the entry "uentus," so I could arrow over to and from OLD for that entry. My Elementary Latin Dictionary, which has "ventus," would not go to OLD "uentus."

That is both exactly what I expected and extraordinarily annoying.

Faithlife, if you're reading, this is an area where we really need better support for Latin. (Specifically, for text tagged as being in Latin, the letters "v" and "u" should be treated as interchangeable. As a stopgap measure, a lot of the benefit could be supplied by treating the "u" or "v" at the beginning of Latin words as interchangeable.)

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Tom Reynolds | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jan 11 2021 9:59 AM

SineNomine:

That is both exactly what I expected and extraordinarily annoying.

Faithlife, if you're reading, this is an area where we really need better support for Latin. (Specifically, for text tagged as being in Latin, the letters "v" and "u" should be treated as interchangeable. As a stopgap measure, a lot of the benefit could be supplied by treating the "u" or "v" at the beginning of Latin words as interchangeable.)

Agreed that this is a huge hole in their tagging and needs to be better.

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