Periscope Reading Plans - broken?

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Jacques | Forum Activity | Posted: Sun, Jan 3 2021 10:40 AM

I have created two test reading plans, one for the NT and one for the OT, using the KJV 1900 resource. Once I have the plan in place, I plan to share it with a reading group.

Both at ’your pace’ using ‘periscope’. The NT breaks up into 365 portions, and the OT breaks up into 157 portions. Huh?! That makes the NT manageable, but the OT chunks are so large!

I need sections periscope-divided so assigned reading doesn’t break up stories or ideas. Am I misunderstanding what Logos Periscope does?

I’m looking for a way to find the lowest common periscope denominator, for any given parameter of reading. Any ideas?

lament: Why is the Logos Reading Plans implementation so inconsistent, unintuitive and just plain broken? 

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Graham Criddle | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Jan 3 2021 12:37 PM

As far as I can see the KJV 1900 resource does not have pericope headings so it won't be able to break on them.

Am I missing something?

If you are seeing pericope headings, please post a screenshot (using the paperclip icon in the forum editor)

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Jacques | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Jan 3 2021 6:53 PM

How would I check?

And if not, how can I know what Bibles have Periscope ability? It seemed to work when I Periscoped the OT for three years, it seems to divide sections correctly make sure things don’t break up in the middle of stories or sections.

I prefer the KJV in kind of a big way, but if I must I can try NKJV / NASB / ESV; if I must. So what Bibles are the most supported?

thanks

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Jan 3 2021 7:12 PM

The Compare Pericope tool should give you a list of Bibles you own that have pericopes marked. Otherwise, simply open a Bible and look for pericope headings - if you can't find them assume it doesn't have them.

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Dave Hooton | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Jan 3 2021 9:06 PM

Jacques:
Both at ’your pace’ using ‘periscope’. The NT breaks up into 365 portions, and the OT breaks up into 157 portions. Huh?! That makes the NT manageable, but the OT chunks are so large!

I get 158 sessions for OT and the same for NT and 158 for All Passages! Forget "At your own pace" and pericopes. Choose by Chapter or Default and allocate the number of sessions you want (around 360 or one year for OT)

You can have have OT/NT readings in each session with Ge–Mal | Mt–Re, and you get roughly 3 to 4 chapters per session over 365 sessions

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Jacques | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jan 8 2021 11:40 PM

I figured it out!

Even though the KJV 1900 doesn't show up on Compare Periscopes, I found a way to use it to make a plan. It does appear to support Periscope divisions.

Here's what I had to do: Open Docs on the Logos Mac desktop app (yep, if you don't have a Mac you'll have to upgrade) then select Docs. From here select New, then Reading Plan. Then select the newly created document (it should be called Untitled Reading Plan), this will dismiss the Docs drop-down. Now select Generate a Reading Plan. By default, if KJV 1900 is your top priority Bible, you should see: All Passages / Default / King James Version / every day / today / one year / by yourself.

Change Default to Periscope, keep it to days of the week (cannot be 'at your own pace' yet), then be sure to select 1 verse per session. This will divide the reading into the minimum number of verses allowed for Periscope to succeed.

Worked for me. In my case, I've set all OT except Poetic Books, Poetic Books, NT; all as three separate reading plans.

The setting of a Reading Plan is VERY finicky and VERY buggy, you've gotta persuade it into the best settings and this is what I've found works for me.

Hope that helps someone down the road... (or rather, that this all gets fixed by Logos)

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Dave Hooton | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Jan 10 2021 5:37 PM

Jacques:
Change Default to Periscope, keep it to days of the week (cannot be 'at your own pace' yet), then be sure to select 1 verse per session.

1 verse per session can be selected but you didn't indicate that you first have to divide the readings into smaller parts. The NT by itself takes over 3 years!

Jacques:
The setting of a Reading Plan is VERY finicky and VERY buggy, you've gotta persuade it into the best settings

I'm not sure this is the best setting, but what are the bugs?

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Jacques | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Jan 10 2021 8:07 PM

The 'one verse' trick gets to the smallest chunks possible, according to the divisions in the Bible one is using. That was my goal! It took a lot of experimentation to figure out how to get Logos to co-operate.

What are the bugs? There is NO WAY I'm going to list all the problems and bugs with the system, unless it's actually going to be heard and acted on. That you'd ask, is quite puzzling..

Anyhow, I left this here so that others that stumble on this thread might find what I've discovered helpful. It's a work-around until Logos addresses the Reading Plan problems and quirkiness.

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Jan 10 2021 8:20 PM

I may be wrong but it appears that you and I don't use the term "pericope" in the same way. I've already adjusted to a difference in understanding among those of us who think primarily in terms of lectionary readings. It looks like I'll need to make another adjustment. But like, Dave, I'd like to see the bugs detailed and repairs requested.

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Dave Hooton | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jan 11 2021 2:55 AM

Jacques:
What are the bugs? There is NO WAY I'm going to list all the problems and bugs with the system, unless it's actually going to be heard and acted on. That you'd ask, is quite puzzling..

We have a forum of debate and voting on suggestions to improve the software at https://feedback.faithlife.com/boards/logos-desktop-app . I invite you to share your thoughts for improvement, and the support/vote of other users will help determine its implementation.

Just advertise its presence with a link in a new thread.

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Jacques | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jan 11 2021 6:01 AM

M.J., what does Periscope mean?

My impression was breaking whatever text into readable chunks, so as to not interrupt a story or idea. This way, no particular story or parable can be broken up by a single session of reading.

Much like paragraphs or section headers in a given Bible translation.

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Graham Criddle | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jan 11 2021 6:05 AM

Hi Jacques

Jacques:
what does Periscope mean?

the actual word is pericope

Here is one definition:

PERICOPE pə-riʹkō-pē [Gk. perikopḗ—‘cutting around’]. A term used by Greek church fathers and later scholastics for an excerpted Scripture passage or a shorter classical text. Based on synagogue and early Church use of shorter readings in worship services, later Christian lectionary collections became known as pericopae.
In modern biblical studies, chiefly through the development of form criticism, “pericope” became a technical term for a Scripture unit said to have originally circulated independently. Such units were supposed to have been gathered by the Synoptic writers and implanted in a historical-biographical framework of the Evangelists’ own invention. In current exegesis the term is used for any passage of one to three paragraphs studied as a unit (e.g., Mk. 1:40–44).


R. Kroeger, “Pericope,” ed. Geoffrey W. Bromiley, The International Standard Bible Encyclopedia, Revised (Wm. B. Eerdmans, 1979–1988), 770.

Jacques:
Much like paragraphs or section headers in a given Bible translation.

Often section headers in Bibles and pericopes are seen as the same thing.

One of the challenges in responding to your original request was that the KJV 1900 does not have these pericopes defined,

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Jacques | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jan 11 2021 6:14 AM

That’s pretty much how I understood it! Well, if you use the function as I’ve described it works just fine. 

Interestingly, the KJV 1900 does not show up in the Periscope Compare tool even tho it breaks up just fine using Periscope reading.

I’ve got resources in my Logos gathering that are normal reading books, that Logos ‘Reading Plans’ knows to break up into at least chapters (for example, Songs of the Suffering King). Then I’ve got others (for example, Living in the Gap between Promise and Reality) that Logos ‘Reading Plans’ has no idea what to do with. So the only ‘Periscope’ or portion reading it knows how to do is page numbers, disregarding the chapter breaks as an indicator. 

Now, SSK has natural breaks of chapters that Logos recognizes. That’s not quite Periscoping as I see it, but at least it’s something similar to ‘reading breaks’.

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Jacques | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jan 11 2021 1:12 PM

This brings some clarity about Logos' thinking on Reading Plans currently, Samuel Leon from Faithlife sent me an email today: "Different types of resources have different reading plan options. For example, Bibles have Chapters and Pericopes, Monographs (like “Puritan Gems; or, Wise and Holy Sayings of the Rev. Thomas Watson, A.M.”) are split into sections, and Confessional documents such as “Westminster Confession of Faith” are divided by their chapters.

However, resources tagged as ‘Bible Commentary’, such as “Living in the Gap between Promise and Reality”, are split into passages. This is an automated process based on the characteristics of a bible commentary. Reading Plans are primarily used for Bibles...
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Donnie Hale | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jan 12 2021 9:50 AM

Jacques:
Interestingly, the KJV 1900 does not show up in the Periscope Compare tool even tho it breaks up just fine using Periscope reading.

Just so you are clear... Throughout the discussion, you've been using the word "periscope" (note the 's'), while the actual word is "pericope" (no 's'). I'm pretty sure everyone has understood what you're asking, but when there are references to features in the Logos software or to resources which have the word in the title, the correct word is used in those features and resources: "pericope."

FYI.

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JT (alabama24) | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jan 12 2021 5:00 PM

Probably auto correct. Smile

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