Elohim Sense Errors

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Into Grace | Forum Activity | Posted: Sat, Jan 9 2021 8:00 AM

Logos contains sense errors in Psalm 82:6 and 138:1. Both uses of Elohim are tagged as "God (Israelite)." The first verse may describe angels or people, etc. The second verse appears to describe angels.  These referents are not the one true God of Israel.

There is a third possible error in Psalm 45:6. The use of Elohim is tagged as "God (Israelite)." But the vocative here describes a historical human king (possibly Solomon). Yes, I know that Hebrews 1:8 attributes this verse to the Messiah. But the Old Testament should be read and interpreted on its own in its historical context. Hebrews 1:8 does not contradict the original understanding of Psalm 45:6.

I'm not seeking a heated discussion on Psalm 45:6. If you don't agree, feel free to disagree. 

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Kenneth Neighoff | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jan 9 2021 8:20 AM

The Psalm 82:6 reference is following the Dead Sea Scrolls and not the MT.  

See Heiser, The Unseen Realm for information on this and some of other tags you are pointing out.

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Kiyah | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jan 9 2021 9:45 AM

Kenneth Neighoff:

The Psalm 82:6 reference is following the Dead Sea Scrolls and not the MT.  

See Heiser, The Unseen Realm for information on this and some of other tags you are pointing out.

Psalm 82:6 does not represent an issue between the MT and the DSS. The MT says: "I said you are gods, sons of the Most High all of you." You may be mistaking this verse for Deuteronomy 32:8.

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Kiyah | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jan 9 2021 9:57 AM

Into Grace:
Logos contains sense errors in Psalm 82:6 and 138:1. Both uses of Elohim are tagged as "God (Israelite)." The first verse may describe angels or people, etc. The second verse appears to describe angels.  These referents are not the one true God of Israel.

Agreed. These should definitely be changed.

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Into Grace | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jan 9 2021 12:18 PM

Kiyah:

Into Grace:
Logos contains sense errors in Psalm 82:6 and 138:1. Both uses of Elohim are tagged as "God (Israelite)." The first verse may describe angels or people, etc. The second verse appears to describe angels.  These referents are not the one true God of Israel.

Agreed. These should definitely be changed.

Yes

Can someone in Logos please look into the tagging of these verses? Thank you.

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jan 9 2021 12:33 PM

Into Grace:
Logos contains sense errors in Psalm 82:6 and 138:1. Both uses of Elohim are tagged as "God (Israelite)." The first verse may describe angels or people, etc. The second verse appears to describe angels.  These referents are not the one true God of Israel.

Have you compared this against the Andersen-Forbes clause visualization. I do not know enough Hebrew to have an informed opinion but I do see the possibility of either interpretation here. I agree FL needs to weigh in.

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Dave Hooton | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Jan 10 2021 1:54 PM

MJ. Smith:

Into Grace:
Logos contains sense errors in Psalm 82:6 and 138:1. Both uses of Elohim are tagged as "God (Israelite)." The first verse may describe angels or people, etc. The second verse appears to describe angels.  These referents are not the one true God of Israel.

Have you compared this against the Andersen-Forbes clause visualization. I do not know enough Hebrew to have an informed opinion but I do see the possibility of either interpretation here. I agree FL needs to weigh in.

There is an each way 'bet' here as both are also tagged <Person Any Deity>, and there are another 36 instances i.e. where <Person Any Deity> INTERSECTS <Sense God (Israelite)>

Dave
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