[BUG] Hebrew PBB import in SBL BIBLIT FONT don't let the font change in Logos

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Fabian | Forum Activity | Posted: Mon, Feb 15 2021 2:29 AM

Hello 

SBL BIBLIT FONT as import with Greek texts let us change the font in the preferences.

But If I import a Hebrew text with SBL BIBLIT, I cannot change the font in Logos under Hebrew even SBL BLit is mentioned there.

SBL mentioned on https://www.sbl-site.org/educational/biblicalfonts.aspx a new font which includes Greek, Hebrew and the BIBLIt. Is this font finished? Is this as otf?

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Feb 20 2021 7:02 PM

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Fabian | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Feb 21 2021 1:17 AM

Yesterday I spent the whole day to find also some other answers by import of Greek texts. 

If I import a Greek text with SBL Greek. I get a warning this font is not supported. If I use Times New Roman no warning is coming up, but to change the font in Logos it's not in the Greek section but in the normal for any items. Same with Arial Unicode MS. This is mentioned in the Greek section of the fonts. But if I import a Greek text with Arial Unicode MS. It doesn't change the font if I change it in the Greek section. 

May the Logos developers play a little bit, with import of different fonts of Greek and Hebrew to find out whats going on and to fix this.

Unfortunately I haven't seen on the PBB wiki which font is to choose for this two languages.

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Dave Hooton | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Feb 21 2021 1:36 PM

Fabian:
Unfortunately I haven't seen on the PBB wiki which font is to choose for this two languages.

A font that is installed for general use as well as being available in Logos could permit change within Logos. As you know an unknown font is converted to Times New Roman when compiling the PB.

This discussion shows that Greek/Hebrew fonts available in Logos have not changed, but more general fonts are quite usable e.g. I use Calibri for Greek.

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Fabian | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Feb 21 2021 2:34 PM

Dave Hooton:

Fabian:
Unfortunately I haven't seen on the PBB wiki which font is to choose for this two languages.

A font that is installed for general use as well as being available in Logos could permit change within Logos. As you know an unknown font is converted to Times New Roman when compiling the PB.

This discussion shows that Greek/Hebrew fonts available in Logos have not changed, but more general fonts are quite usable e.g. I use Calibri for Greek.

Thanks for the Links. Unfortunately the discussion is not for the import of PBB, but in general for Logos. But thanks anyway I hadn't known this.

For Greek: If I use Times New Roman in the docx file. I have no error by the import. The font is then to change "In the default Resources Font". The "g:" command don't work.

If I use SBL Greek font in the docx file. Then I get an error by the import. This font is not supported. But now the font is to change in the Greek font section and the "g:" command works. 

Conclusion for Greek the error comes on the wrong font. 

For Hebrew: If I use SBL Biblit. (all 3 SBL fonts are in there). It isn't recognized as Hebrew, so if I change the font in the Hebrew section nothing happens. SBL Biblit even if it is mentioned in Logos is not to use in the docx. file.

In general the import font has nothing to do with the font in Logos. There is no explicit relation, we can say the fonts that are supported in Logos are good for the docx files to import with Greek and Hebrew. It would be glad if there were a relation. Unfortunately all is trial and error. SBL Hebrew works. And get no error the SBL Hebrew. 

I have no clue why I get error for Greek if I use SBL Greek. But no error if I use SBL Hebrew for Hebrew. And why SBL Biblit don't work properly as it is 3 SBL fonts in one.

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Dave Hooton | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Feb 21 2021 2:54 PM

Fabian:
Unfortunately the discussion is not for the import of PBB

The readily available fonts (in your operating system) can be used with no error for a PB. The discussion shows which general fonts can be used to import Greek and Hebrew without corrupting the words.

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Fabian | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jun 12 2021 5:19 AM

Hello Dave

Thanks. But the problem is NOT solved. If I import it as SBL BibLit which should be supported according to your link then I get :

[Info] Erstellen starten für PBB:3083bfb13ce341f58c2da62df7b0a79e
[Info] Konvertiere
[Info] /Users/f/Documents/Accordance Files/Eigene Texte/Logos/0842.NTDelitzsch_C.docx konvertieren
[Info] Erstelle persönliches Buch
[Error] Font 'SBL BibLit' is not a valid font for use in resources.
[Info] Entdecken
[Info] Fertig

SECOND: 

I cannot change the font on 

That means exact what I have written above. The description "how to make PBB" is not accurate and the list Logos published is wrong too.

ERGO this confuses the users of Logos and give then a lot try and error to import Greek and Hebrew PBB's.  

Thats why I take the TIME to write here. But since Feb. 21 the bug is still there and the description is not corrected.

SAME problem for the Greek! 

That leads me to the question: Why should I report errors?

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jun 12 2021 9:44 AM

Fabian:
That leads me to the question: Why should I report errors?

If you don't report the errors, Faithlife will not know of them and will not prioritize and schedule them for repair. But remember that in software repairs, it is much more efficient to repair and test a group of error that affect the same code than to work with many scattered pieces. Sometimes errors get repair very quickly, sometimes it takes years. It all depends on the severity of the issue, the difficulty of the fix, the other items being prioritized ... so please, do keep reporting problems. It helps all Logos users.

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Dave Hooton | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Jun 13 2021 3:40 AM

Fabian:

I cannot change the font on 

That means exact what I have written above. The description "how to make PBB" is not accurate and the list Logos published is wrong too.

ERGO this confuses the users of Logos and give then a lot try and error to import Greek and Hebrew PBB's.  

Let me summarise:

  • SBL Greek/SBL Hebrew fonts can be used irrespective of error messages, and you can change the font of the Greek/Hebrew text in the PB.
  • SBL Biblit produces an error message when compiling and you cannot change the font of the Greek/Hebrew text in the PB.
  • Arial & Times fonts don't produce error messages but you cannot change the font of the Greek/Hebrew text in the PB.
  • You can change the default Resource Font of the English text (I used Times) without affecting that of the Greek/Hebrew text.
    • this corresponds to behaviour in a Logos Edition lexicon as my PB is a lexicon.

My conclusion is to use only the Greek/Hebrew fonts supported by Logos if you want to want to change them in the PB.

Do you agree? Because I can update the PB wiki if you do.

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Fabian | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jun 14 2021 1:45 AM

Hello Dave

I would love if the issues is fixed from the Logos side and if the wiki is accurate. This helps me and other users. 

Thanks

Fabian

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Bradley Grainger (Faithlife) | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jun 14 2021 10:09 AM

Fabian:
I get a warning this font is not supported

You can ignore this and similar errors: "[Error] Font 'SBL Greek' is not a valid font for use in resources."

You can use any fonts you want in Personal Books (with the caveat that only certain fonts will be changed by the Greek/Hebrew font preference).

SBL BibLit is not a changeable font because it supports both Greek and Hebrew, so Logos 9 doesn't know which setting should apply to it.

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Fabian | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jun 14 2021 10:42 AM

Thanks @Bradley for the clarification. And yes I found this out with trial and error too. 

Is it possible to improve the "Warnings", so the confusion, and the trial and error to find an accurate font could be more user friendly. 

@Dave

May you can the explanation from Bradly put in the wiki. Which font works with the "normal" font changes, nearly all. And which font works with the Greek and Hebrew font changes. 

This would be a help for the future. Thanks.

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Bradley Grainger (Faithlife) | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jun 14 2021 11:37 AM

Fabian:
Is it possible to improve the "Warnings"

Yes; we have a case in our bug tracker to remove this message.

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Dave Hooton | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jun 14 2021 2:38 PM

Fabian:
I would love if the issues is fixed from the Logos side and if the wiki is accurate.

I can only suggest you use the fonts supported by Logos for original language words. I have changed the wiki article.

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Fabian | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jun 18 2021 3:01 AM

Dave Hooton:

Fabian:
I would love if the issues is fixed from the Logos side and if the wiki is accurate.

I can only suggest you use the fonts supported by Logos for original language words. I have changed the wiki article.

Thanks, Yes I know it now. But it was a frustrating trial and error until the knowledge I have now. 

Thanks for the clarification on the wiki.

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Fabian | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jun 18 2021 3:01 AM

Dave Hooton:

Fabian:
I would love if the issues is fixed from the Logos side and if the wiki is accurate.

I can only suggest you use the fonts supported by Logos for original language words. I have changed the wiki article.

Thanks, Yes I know it now. But it was a frustrating trial and error until the knowledge I have now. 

Thanks for the clarification on the wiki.

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