NAS 2020 and the Importance of Communicating with the Customer

I wonder if the NASB1995 will no longer be available like the NIV 1984?  If this is the case, then Faithlife will have to develop a reverse interlinear at some point.

For those questioning the functionality existing with the NASB2020, I would point out the obvious, the price which telegraphed that RI function would likely be absent.

I would suggest that our efforts and comments shift towards requesting that RI functionality be made a priority for this resource. The resource capabilities are consistent with other Bibles offered without RI features like say the TNIV which I find to be a useful dynamic equivalent Bible and I might add is no longer available for purchase.

Has anyone bothered to create a feature request for updating the NASB2020? I would certainly vote for it.

DMB said:

This is exactly what George prophesied as a sign of the end-time (of greek knowledgability). Logosians would blindly reach for their RI's, demanding any usable Bible include its 'cheat-sheets'.  If only George were still with us.

George gave me the impression that he felt infants should be tossed into the deep end of the pool and the results would be ideal. That never made much sense to me. Still, I'm going to riff off George's ol' rag: People need to get off their figurative duffs and start using the LHI & LGNTI instead of RIs. RIs almost make my skin crawl. Unlike George, I think OL interlinears do serve a useful function. At the least, they serve as a translation into English. Much more, they are (rather, the expectation is that they are) hyperliteral. Using the LHI & LGNTI allows users to see the natural syntax of the OL, which is totally lost in any RI. While I understand George's concern about interlinears being a crutch, I feel they are more akin to training wheels. Those who are lazy will stay lazy, and those who wish to develop proficiency will do so with time. George's beef was that some people would just assume "knowledge" and therefore "understanding" simply because there was a perception of "equivalence" produced in interlinears. One way of stating his concern is that interlinears will inevitably bring out the Dunning-Kruger in many users. The fact is, as with any leveraging tool (table saw, nail gun, pistol, light saber), attempting use without training will likely result in as much carnage to oneself and others as any expected utility. RIs, unlike real OL interliners, are much more likely to feed into and elicit carnage in the hands of the undisciplined. If you don't (wish to) consider yourself undisciplined, you should be using real OL interlinears. If you don't have LHI & LGNTI, you should commit to making them your next Logos purchase.

That said, no user should just unquestioningly accept the info and data found in any resource. Early on, you may not be able to discern the quality and accuracy of a given tool, but with time you should be able to recognize when even a resource like LHI or LGNTI has made questionable decisions in its translations. Use multiple tools and get multiple perspectives.

MJ. Smith said:

perhaps that fact that the product page did not list the reverse interlinear? That should have made it clear that the RI function WOULD BE absent.

I ordered the NASB2020 knowing that it was not going to contain all of the tags of the NASB1995. So while I am disappointed, I am not upset.

However, I understand why there would  be confusion. The product page for the 2020 edition (https://www.logos.com/product/198302/the-new-american-standard-bible-2020-update) and the 1995 edition (https://www.logos.com/product/308/the-new-american-standard-bible-1995-update) both refer to the resource as a "Logos Research Edition." The 2020 product page has the same boilerplate about the benefits of the Logos Research Edition as the 1995 edition:

In the Logos edition, this volume is enhanced by amazing functionality. Important terms link to dictionaries, encyclopedias, and a wealth of other resources in your digital library. Perform powerful searches to find exactly what you’re looking for. Take the discussion with you using Overview tablet and mobile apps. With Logos Bible Software, the most efficient and comprehensive research tools are in one place, so you get the most out of your study.

So my question is, what does a "Logos Research Edition" mean for this type of product?

Harry Hahne said:

So my question is, what does a "Logos Research Edition" mean for this type of product?

It's produced for Logos and you can use it for research?? [8-|]

NB.Mick said:

It is tagged. It has an index....

That's well said, NB, and very helpful. Thanks.

I have it from a reliable source within FL that a RI is planned for NASB2020 and it is a priority. I will not speculate on when this will happen. Good News!

I'm confused.

I just checked the product pages for both 1995 and 2020.  Near the bottoms they each have a section called "Benefits of Logos Edition."  The text is almost exactly the same for each book.  Nowhere on either page is "reverse" found except when someone, in the 2020 comments, asked "Is this tagged for reverse interlinear?".

Maybe there's another product page that only power users know about?  Or do the sales pages contain codes indicating RI or no-RI without using real words? 

I got the 2020 and don't intend to get a refund.  I'm just hoping more functionality will be added sometime, like RI and propositional outlines.

Now on Prepub:

https://www.logos.com/product/209909/the-new-american-standard-bible-2020-update-nasb-reverse-interlinear 

Again, speaking of the competition’s version, it is half the price.

Still, I ordered it because I want the NASB2020 RI.

As for those trying to make me feel like less than a man for using them…

[:P]

That’s really silly!

That’s typical of pre-order pricing. 

Ryan said:

I see the original price as $44.98 for the RI NASB 2020, but for me it shows up as $29.99. Is that because I already own the non-RI NASB 2020 or is that just a typical pre-order price?