Questions about AR305 The Dead Sea Scrolls

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Myke Harbuck | Forum Activity | Posted: Fri, Apr 9 2021 3:38 AM

When will this course be released? 

Will this course contain images? Lots of them? Most mobile Ed courses contain little if no images or photos. I’m hoping that due to the nature of this continent that will be an exception with this course, and that this course will be rich in images to illustrate teaching about the particular caves or the particular scrolls. Can you confirm if this course will have images, and if they’re not planning to at this point, I would highly recommend the delay release and add still or video images. 

Thanks! 

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Myke Harbuck | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Apr 19 2021 6:35 AM

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Miles Custis | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Apr 20 2021 3:25 PM

We will try to make this course more media rich than our typical Mobile Ed course. It will probably not have as much media as David deSilva's AR271 course (which used pictures he and another person with him took on their tours) or our other archaeology courses (which were filmed on location in Israel), but it will have more than most of our courses. It should also have helpful activities and integration with Logos since most of the Dead Sea Scrolls are available as Logos resources.

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Mattillo | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Apr 20 2021 3:36 PM

Excellent! Now I’m in. One of my biggest complaints with mobile Ed is how sterile the transcripts are. I remember advocating for photos for DeSilva’s course and I’m glad I did because they are beautiful and make the course so much more worthwhile. I hope the future of mobile Ed takes this direction with charts, pictures, etc in the materials

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Gordon Jones | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Apr 20 2021 4:52 PM

Mattillo:

I hope the future of mobile Ed takes this direction with charts, pictures, etc in the materials

Yes

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Myke Harbuck | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Aug 3 2021 7:52 AM

Miles, any idea when this resource will be released?

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Mattillo | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Apr 21 2022 8:18 AM

Miles Custis:

We will try to make this course more media rich than our typical Mobile Ed course. It will probably not have as much media as David deSilva's AR271 course (which used pictures he and another person with him took on their tours) or our other archaeology courses (which were filmed on location in Israel), but it will have more than most of our courses. It should also have helpful activities and integration with Logos since most of the Dead Sea Scrolls are available as Logos resources.

Miles 

I was reading a review of this course and the reviewer claims there are no images. Were these dropped from the production? I was thinking about purchasing this course but now I'm not quite sure.

https://www.logos.com/product/201773/mobile-ed-ar305-the-dead-sea-scrolls 

"The course has been well organized. I have started taking up the course and so far found sessions of Dr. Andrew Perrin quite engaging and informative. With so much of material written on Dead Sea Scrolls elsewhere, the course provides you with a good introduction & background revolving the scrolls and pushes you for a more detailed study if you do intend to. I wish there were images, media, charts etc. included in the course to make the course more worthwhile (deducting one star for this). If you can get this course during Logos discounts, it would surely be a great addition to your catalogue."

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Myke Harbuck | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Apr 21 2022 10:10 AM

This is a bummer! I was hoping to buy this course soon, as well! Hope we can get some answers here.

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Daniel Woodcock (Faithlife) | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Apr 21 2022 10:22 AM

The course, beside the video content itself, mostly contains direct links to resources within Logos. For example, Factbook items (which often contains media) and Guides. 

There are some images used through the text like the one pictured here from the caves at Qumran. Just above this picture are some maps of the area as well.

https://www.screencast.com/t/VX4jNmdwXpI 

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DMB | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Apr 21 2022 10:40 AM

Mattillo:

Excellent! Now I’m in. One of my biggest complaints with mobile Ed is how sterile the transcripts are. I remember advocating for photos for DeSilva’s course and I’m glad I did because they are beautiful and make the course so much more worthwhile. I hope the future of mobile Ed takes this direction with charts, pictures, etc in the materials

I think I'm decently familiar with DSS/Qumran. But images get the point across, more so with fragments, run-on writing, and caves an acrobat demands.  No offense to FL, but my budget with Accordance is largely ease of examining images. Recently I got the old 1947? DSS images, and the Judean Desert fragments.

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Myke Harbuck | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Apr 21 2022 11:22 AM

Daniel Woodcock:

The course, beside the video content itself, mostly contains direct links to resources within Logos. There are some images used through the text... [emphasis mine]

This is the greater issue and problem ...Faithlife charges an ultrahigh premium for mobile ed courses, but most of them are just lecturers behind a green screen that displays a very limited amount of [only] text. For the price that Faithlife charges for these courses, they should be incorporating videos, charts, graphs, photos, and other multimedia to enhance the viewing experience and provide a greater value for the mobile ed products overall.

Don't misunderstand me, the academic content is great, but the experience by which that content is viewed needs some serious revamping, and I can't understand for the life of me why Faithlife won't listen to its users in this regard. There have been a ton of similar requests to incorporate media/multimedia in these courses, so why wont Faithlife do the tough work of changing their production practices?

Not only would it enhance these courses and create a much more enjoyable viewer experience, it would increase the likelihood that on-the-fence customers would actually pull the trigger and buy courses.This course is a great example of that. I really would like to own this course! But I'm not gonna spend $300+ bucks on a DSS course that has limited [IE "some"] images. The subject matter of this course itself demands that images be incorporated throughout, and viewers shouldn't have to click on links to Logos resources to see the images - they should be displayed in the video as the lecturer discusses that particular scroll / topic. There literally should be hundreds of images in a course like this, and those images should be made available in an appendix for download or use in Proclaim like other Logos media is.

We know that Faithlife knows how to create good multimedia content - look at the images in the High Definition series, for example. And we know that stock images are readily available in Logos resources such as Bible handbooks and other multimedia / image resources. So why not work from there and bring images and other multimedia into these courses - especially with a course like this where visual aids are critical to the learning experience, or dramatically lower the prices of these courses if Faithlife cant or wont change the production culture.

Faithlife, please step up your game here!

Respectfully signed,

A loyal but frustrated long-time Logos user.

Myke Harbuck
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Adjunct Professor, Georgia Military College

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Gordon Jones | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Apr 21 2022 11:58 AM

Myke Harbuck:

the academic content is great, but the experience by which that content is viewed needs some serious revamping,

Yes

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Mattillo | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Apr 22 2022 12:05 PM

Daniel Woodcock (Faithlife):

The course, beside the video content itself, mostly contains direct links to resources within Logos. For example, Factbook items (which often contains media) and Guides. 

There are some images used through the text like the one pictured here from the caves at Qumran. Just above this picture are some maps of the area as well.

https://www.screencast.com/t/VX4jNmdwXpI 

Thank you Daniel

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Mattillo | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Apr 22 2022 12:13 PM

Myke Harbuck:

Daniel Woodcock:

The course, beside the video content itself, mostly contains direct links to resources within Logos. There are some images used through the text... [emphasis mine]

This is the greater issue and problem ...Faithlife charges an ultrahigh premium for mobile ed courses, but most of them are just lecturers behind a green screen that displays a very limited amount of [only] text. For the price that Faithlife charges for these courses, they should be incorporating videos, charts, graphs, photos, and other multimedia to enhance the viewing experience and provide a greater value for the mobile ed products overall.

Don't misunderstand me, the academic content is great, but the experience by which that content is viewed needs some serious revamping, and I can't understand for the life of me why Faithlife won't listen to its users in this regard. There have been a ton of similar requests to incorporate media/multimedia in these courses, so why wont Faithlife do the tough work of changing their production practices?

Not only would it enhance these courses and create a much more enjoyable viewer experience, it would increase the likelihood that on-the-fence customers would actually pull the trigger and buy courses.This course is a great example of that. I really would like to own this course! But I'm not gonna spend $300+ bucks on a DSS course that has limited [IE "some"] images. The subject matter of this course itself demands that images be incorporated throughout, and viewers shouldn't have to click on links to Logos resources to see the images - they should be displayed in the video as the lecturer discusses that particular scroll / topic. There literally should be hundreds of images in a course like this, and those images should be made available in an appendix for download or use in Proclaim like other Logos media is.

We know that Faithlife knows how to create good multimedia content - look at the images in the High Definition series, for example. And we know that stock images are readily available in Logos resources such as Bible handbooks and other multimedia / image resources. So why not work from there and bring images and other multimedia into these courses - especially with a course like this where visual aids are critical to the learning experience, or dramatically lower the prices of these courses if Faithlife cant or wont change the production culture.

Faithlife, please step up your game here!

Respectfully signed,

A loyal but frustrated long-time Logos user.

I agree. I was actually very interested in this course but it seems production took a different turn so I'll pass on it, especially for a $450 course. It is a shame. I've been buying more Zondervan courses lately. Visually they are nicer to look at it but on the down side they don't come with a transcript. 

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Miles Custis | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Apr 22 2022 2:46 PM

We definitely added more images and created more custom motion graphics for this course than we typically do, however we didn't have the rights to use as many images as I would have liked. As we do with all Mobile Ed courses, we included plenty of links to other Logos guides or tools in the Activities resource. The transcript resource is also tagged, so any reference to a specific Dead Sea Scroll links out to your relevant prioritized Dead Sea Scroll resource.

By the way, today only you can get this, or any Mobile Ed course (up to 3), for $99.99. Call or email our Sales team to get this deal.

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