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Ted Harms | Forum Activity | Posted: Wed, Apr 14 2021 8:34 PM

Yesterday I downloaded Parsons Bible Atlas a book which I previously used in Wordsearch. There are no actual maps included in the book. It had them when I used it in Wordsearch. Has anyone else found this to be an issue?

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Apr 14 2021 9:09 PM

Did it download as an eBook or a Logos Research edition - if the former, adjust your expectations and wait; if the latter, bring the error to the attention of Kyle.

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SamK | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Apr 15 2021 6:09 AM

From what I can tell it looks like the Bible Atlas is connected to "Bible Maps."  Parson's Bible Maps is still in the progress of being available in Logos.  I think Logos calls it "Parsons Bible Atlas maps." 

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Bobby Terhune | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Apr 15 2021 6:15 AM

It's an Ebook, which means it is still being developed fully into a Logos Research edition.

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DIsciple II | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Apr 15 2021 1:39 PM

Why should users have to adjust their expectations all the time because you tell them to MJ. This is not simply good enough from FL, it is a clear lack of understanding of the WS product and clear lack of respect for WS users. A resource like this should never have been dropped in users libraries as a useless piece of garbage disconnected eBook file. FL have lost the plot when they think this is acceptable. Bob Pritchett is nowhere to be see. The man who said third parties would no longsr be allowed to produce Resources for Logos because of their poor quality signed off on filling user’s libraries with the worst poorest quality resources this company has ever produced. and are giving themselves a pat on the back for doing it. They should be ashamed. How long will users have to put up with this junk in our libraries before they are fixed and usable as they were in WS? Bob Pritchett whete are you hiding?  You listened and stopped others from putting what were better quality resources than these into Logos but now you‘ve dropped those standards to absolute low and think it’s ok. Was it actually about the standard of resource or something else?

Ad for adjusting expectations how about you take a dose of your own medicine MJ and drop your pride in your mastery of Logic and adjust your expectations of other people. Are you willing to do that? Are you willing to practice what you preach?

Or how about you drop your expectations  about  Verbum what it offers and how much you pay for it? Are you willing to do that ? After all FL is calling the shots not you. 
 

So stop telling other people to adjust their expectations when they want to raise an issue that they are not happy with what FL is putting in their librarie. They are customers of this company just as much as you are and they have a right to say Hey FL I am disappointed with how you have chosen to do this resource. Because you just as much as any other user gets on these forums and makes It clear what you are disappointed about with FL decisions.

FL have screwed up this WS resource conversion project, showed total disrespect to both WS users and the WS product by thinking it was appropriate to treat all the resources equally and dump them all as eBooks in the Logos environment  without having any understanding of the resource. And they think doing so putting rubbish like this example is an acceptable way do win over the respect of new users to this company by treating the resources they are familiar with in such a disrespectful way, real people, not number, not dollar signs, and who are trying to get their head around new software let alone the different levels of resources FL and realise that, oh that‘s an wBook not a Logos Readers or Research edition so I should be a good little forum citizen and adjust my expectations like MJ the Logic Queen of the forums would tell me to do and put up with a dysfunctional resource for an unknown period of time and be so grateful for the situation after all I never asked for my software platform is choice to be taken away from me overnight as an ongoing choice for future purchases and long term use of my existing library.  

Martha personally I have no issue with you expressing your expectations to FL, what you don’t like about FL decisions, whether or not they are of any importance to me. Please stop telling other people to change their expectations when they want to express what is important to them whether or not it’s important to you. Because right now you are displaying illogical behaviour with your display of defending FL on their decisions and telling  people to accept them when you too post on these forums when you are not happy with a FL choice of how they do things or hos much they ask you to pay. And this from someone who prides themselves on their logic reasoning. 

MJ. Smith:

Did it download as an eBook or a Logos Research edition - if the former, adjust your expectations and wait; if the latter, bring the error to the attention of Kyle.

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Apr 15 2021 1:44 PM

DIsciple II:
Why should users have to adjust their expectations all the time because you tell them to MJ.

They asked for help. I offered them help -- i.e. to take Faithlife at its word. They are free to take it or leave it.

DIsciple II:
Martha personally I have no issue with you expressing your expectations to FL,

I intended nothing about my own expectations - I intended to point to the expectations that Faithlife has set.

Kyle G. Anderson:
Our plan is to convert everything that's an eBook into either a Logos Reader edition or Logos Research edition. We've been prioritizing ones that fit better as Research editions.

I apologize for the rough numbers but there were approximately 3000 titles that existed in WordSearch but didn't exist in the Logos eco system. As of today about 1800 of them are in the production pipeline. (This means they're either done, they're finished but still need to be made available, they're in progress, or they're scheduled to start production.) Currently the last of these are scheduled to return in mid-June and made available early to mid July. The remaining 1200ish titles will be put into the production pipeline in the coming months.

It's looking like the remaining volumes of the Swindoll commentaries will be late-June, early-July.

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DIsciple II | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Apr 15 2021 2:46 PM

You are still not listening, but I sm not surprised. It is you, not FL who responded in your own words telling another user to change their expectations without referencing anything FL said. You are defending FL for this absolutely unacceptable situation that reeks by your response instead of being helpfu. if you wanted to help you be bringing to the attention of FL users are not satisfied with what they are doing with WS resources rather than regurgitating the company line. By doing so you are painting yourself into a corner where they can just respond to your concerns with the company line instead of taking them on board. Why you can not see the bigger pict and are allowing yourself to become the puppet in this situation is beyond me. Fl had you where they want you , doing there bidding and creating an argument for them to ignore your expectation. FL 1 MJ -1 on all of your expectations you have posted about.   

You like to think you a strong well reasoned I independent experienced thinker. You have just demonstrated otherwise.

FL have lowered their standards so low they should no longer be proudly pouting the Logos Advantage as a reason for their pricing. They seem to think now the competito market had shrunk again they can do what they like. You are reinforcing to them that belief with your ‘help’ to other users. We would still be in the dark ages if your approach to ‘help‘ was all that was offered in the past.

MJ. Smith:

DIsciple II:
Why should users have to adjust their expectations all the time because you tell them to MJ.

They asked for help. I offered them help -- i.e. to take Faithlife at its word. They are free to take it or leave it.

DIsciple II:
Martha personally I have no issue with you expressing your expectations to FL,

I intended nothing about my own expectations - I intended to point to the expectations that Faithlife has set.

Kyle G. Anderson:
Our plan is to convert everything that's an eBook into either a Logos Reader edition or Logos Research edition. We've been prioritizing ones that fit better as Research editions.

I apologize for the rough numbers but there were approximately 3000 titles that existed in WordSearch but didn't exist in the Logos eco system. As of today about 1800 of them are in the production pipeline. (This means they're either done, they're finished but still need to be made available, they're in progress, or they're scheduled to start production.) Currently the last of these are scheduled to return in mid-June and made available early to mid July. The remaining 1200ish titles will be put into the production pipeline in the coming months.

It's looking like the remaining volumes of the Swindoll commentaries will be late-June, early-July.

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Apr 15 2021 4:32 PM

Dear P, I have made a sincere effort to learn to communicate with you since the days of the old boards, if I am correct as to your identity. I have not been able to find the magic formula nor have I discerned the reason behind your dislike of me. But I am sufficiently tired of trying to communicate with you only to be told that you know authorial intent better than the author. I believe it is in my best interest, and likely for the benefit of the forums as a whole, for me to simply quit reading or replying to your posts. Feel free to remind me if I accidentally respond to a post of yours. I wish you nothing but the best. MJ

Orthodox Bishop Hilarion Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."

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DIsciple II | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Apr 15 2021 8:40 PM

I have no dislike of you MJ, only the way you choose to respond at times to people. There is no magic formula. I‘m a simple person. Alliow everyone to voice what’s important to them. Don’t tell them what is important to them is not of priority because it’s not important to you. And don’t tell them they have to change their expectations. And don’t put people down because they are not able to always express themselves in a manner that meets your expectations. Look beyond what you judge as inadequacies to get to the heart of what they are expressing / asking and respond to that alone.

I know more assume authorial  intent than you do, and I no more call what I see as a spade a space than you do. Because of that you don’t know how to handle it. So you want to put up a wall or as they say today cancel me because I am honest with yo and like you in some respects, maybe more than we both want to admit. Your choice to bury your head in the sand rather than to take on board what has been said is your issue not mine.  But we’ll meet in heaven someday and your won’t be able then to carry the grudge you know are holding tightly because I encouraged you to take a look at yourself and what you are really saying in some of your posts to others.  May God richly bless you till that day we meet.

MJ. Smith:

Dear P, I have made a sincere effort to learn to communicate with you since the days of the old boards, if I am correct as to your identity. I have not been able to find the magic formula nor have I discerned the reason behind your dislike of me. But I am sufficiently tired of trying to communicate with you only to be told that you know authorial intent better than the author. I believe it is in my best interest, and likely for the benefit of the forums as a whole, for me to simply quit reading or replying to your posts. Feel free to remind me if I accidentally respond to a post of yours. I wish you nothing but the best. MJ

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Mike Binks | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Apr 16 2021 1:37 AM

DIsciple II:
I encouraged you to take a look at yourself and what you are really saying in some of your posts to others.

Pot probably calling the Kettle black here.

But I have tried, where I disagree with the nuance of another's reply, to replay to the OP directly either with what I consider a better answer or at least a refined spin.

It seems to me that most disagreements on the forum happen when we think we are a white knight riding to the rescue of some poor hapless serf.

tootle pip

Mike

How to get logs and post them. (now tagging post-apocalyptic fiction as current affairs)

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Ted Harms | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Apr 16 2021 7:15 AM

I thought I was just asking a simple question. I never intended it to create such a lively discussion. Maybe in time it will be worked out.

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DIsciple II | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Apr 16 2021 8:01 AM

I’m definitely not a white knight Mike and I’m well aware of my short comings as a human being. No need to use tired cliches.

But  I’m not the one who thinks it’s ok for me to call out FL on things I don’t like but tells other people they should change their expectations on things they don’t like and then say I’m being helpful. I’m not the one who post‘s book covers about the topic of logic or tells people it should be a pre-requisite reading  for people. I’m not the one who tells people I don’t see their requests for changes  to the software as not Important to me so they ate lower priority than mine. 

Mike Binks:

DIsciple II:
I encouraged you to take a look at yourself and what you are really saying in some of your posts to others.

Pot probably calling the Kettle black here.

But I have tried, where I disagree with the nuance of another's reply, to replay to the OP directly either with what I consider a better answer or at least a refined spin.

It seems to me that most disagreements on the forum happen when we think we are a white knight riding to the rescue of some poor hapless serf.

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Kyle G. Anderson | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Apr 16 2021 8:19 AM

Ted Harms:

Yesterday I downloaded Parsons Bible Atlas a book which I previously used in Wordsearch. There are no actual maps included in the book. It had them when I used it in Wordsearch. Has anyone else found this to be an issue?

Hi Ted. I'm sorry for causing confusion.

In WordSearch Parsons was divided into two resources, the Atlas and the Maps. The Atlas included Articles and links to the Maps resource.

Our process has been to take files from WordSearch and run them through an automatic conversion that allows users to have access and then go back and update the resources. Over the next couple of months this will be updated and will point to the Map resource.

At this time we're still waiting on files for the Maps and when we receive them the Map resource will be made available.

Thank you for your patience.

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Mike Binks | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Apr 16 2021 8:49 AM

DIsciple II:
I’m definitely not a white knight Mike and I’m well aware of my short comings as a human being. No need to use tired cliches.

Well of course for one so erudite my cliches might appear to be tired - but for me, they are as fresh as a daisy on a summer day and I do so enjoy getting them out and giving them an airing.

But, feel free to call me out on things you don't like.  I am sure that you are only being helpful.

I am sure that Ted really appreciated your intervention.

Is it well known that he is unable to reply on his own behalf should he feel the need?

tootle pip

Mike

How to get logs and post them. (now tagging post-apocalyptic fiction as current affairs)

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DIsciple II | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Apr 16 2021 2:29 PM

My comments to MJ we’re about MJ, and had nothing to do with Ted. I was challenging MJ to take a good hard look at herself and the way she has responded over a long period of time. Since you like cliches, they are your love language, I’ll put it this way so you understand: If it  makes you feel good keep flinging the mud my way because the thing is the mud had to come from somewhere and your going to fall into deeper into the hole your digging to  source that mud. 

And while your falling into that hole it doesn’t change the fact FL have chosen to fail to take the time to understand WS resources, failed to show them proper respect, thought they could break all the long standing quality standards they set and say justify their pricing and simply turn the whole WS catalog into e-books and dump them full of flaws into users libraries as useless placeholders until they get around to working out what they are and then treating them with respect and converting them into the format they should have held back and done so  in the first place with the correct indexing, tagging and metadata. 

But back to that hole you started digging in a previous  post. You assumed  my authorial intent  - something Martha tried to accuse me of  in her attempts to deflect the attention off her many responses over time that set a standard for others she doesn’t follow herself. You decided my  intent was to be a White Knight for someone I did not and have not mentioned though you chose to make the centre of your attempt at satire. Some of that mud your flingin, while your getting deeper in the hole is falling back on you. i have no idea of your intent but you are posting like someone trying to be a White Knight so just in case that is what you are doing I leave you with a thought from a wise man who said from experience he has learned the following from experience:

“It seems to me that most disagreements on the forum happen when we think we are a white knight riding to the rescue of some poor hapless serf.”

I think his name was Binks, yes that’s it Mike Binks.

Mike Binks:

DIsciple II:
I’m definitely not a white knight Mike and I’m well aware of my short comings as a human being. No need to use tired cliches.

Well of course for one so erudite my cliches might appear to be tired - but for me, they are as fresh as a daisy on a summer day and I do so enjoy getting them out and giving them an airing.

But, feel free to call me out on things you don't like.  I am sure that you are only being helpful.

I am sure that Ted really appreciated your intervention.

Is it well known that he is unable to reply on his own behalf should he feel the need?

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DIsciple II | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Apr 16 2021 3:10 PM

Kyle G. Anderson:

Ted Harms:

Yesterday I downloaded Parsons Bible Atlas a book which I previously used in Wordsearch. There are no actual maps included in the book. It had them when I used it in Wordsearch. Has anyone else found this to be an issue?

Hi Ted. I'm sorry for causing confusion.

In WordSearch Parsons was divided into two resources, the Atlas and the Maps. The Atlas included Articles and links to the Maps resource.

Our process has been to take files from WordSearch and run them through an automatic conversion that allows users to have access and then go back and update the resources. Over the next couple of months this will be updated and will point to the Map resource.

At this time we're still waiting on files for the Maps and when we receive them the Map resource will be made available.

Thank you for your patience.

What a great business deal FL have signed up for .... your still missing files. But that’s ok knowing that and knowing you have orphaned files like this one  missing it’s companion file you still we t ahead and released it into users libraries as a useless paperweight that‘s not much good for anything beyond a basic search and is going to cause confusion despite you not meaning to do so. Haven’t you already released enough of these garbage files to realise you are going to cause confusion or maybe your ignoring the questions and complaints on the forums from former WS users. It’s full steam ahead for FL despite the user feedback. User feedback is not important, after all they are nothing more than the ones who pay you and without them you‘ll get more done. 

So what’s the plan if these missing files don’t turn up? When are you going to fully disclose all the missing files to users or are you going to hide them under the status conversion not yet started? is that what it means if a resource is not yet started? 

Logos Bible Software once did a great job at producing high quality resources. Then along came FL and the standards have been in free fall as the company stretches itself into areas beyond its core in order to try and take a piece of every part of the church budget, FL even wanted in on our private lives and wanted to setup Tinder for Christian Singles at one point. 

Sure well be patient Kyle while FL continue to put screwed up resources and metadata in our libraries,

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SineNomine | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Apr 16 2021 3:14 PM

Ted Harms:
I thought I was just asking a simple question.

You were. Smile I hope Kyle's post above resolved it for you. If not, please ask again or ask a follow up.

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Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :) | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Apr 16 2021 7:33 PM

DIsciple II:
what’s the plan if these missing files don’t turn up?

Intriguing question for Faithlife: dreaming of Wordsearch FAQ about "My Books and Content" update => https://www.logos.com/wordsearch-faq

Thankful for Wordsearch Bible Software thread => WordSearch Books need major editing now including bi-weekly updates of completed Logos Research Edition completions. Both Amazing (many done) and Frustrating (many remain). Noted "Parsons Bible Atlas" was included in the eBook batch release on 13 Apr 2021 (implies relatively recent transfer of files for automated eBook conversion)

Hindsight 20/20 for Faithlife would have been a bit better communication about when to expect quality conversion of WordSearch resources into Logos Research Editions (end of 2020 was months ago).

DIsciple II:
Haven’t you already released enough of these garbage files to realise you are going to cause confusion or maybe your ignoring the questions and complaints on the forums from former WS users. It’s full steam ahead for FL despite the user feedback.

Another hindsight 20/20 idea is splitting "Download New Resources" program settings into:

  • Download New Logos Resources (default to Yes)
  • Download New eBook Resources (default to No)

For automated eBook conversions that are annoying (or effectively useless), suggest creating a thread in => Wordsearch Bible Software illustrating eBook issue(s) as automated conversion has a number of improvement opportunities, followed by using Library to remove eBook download.

DIsciple II:
What a great business deal FL have signed up for .... your still missing files.

How does expressing anger (sarcasm) in complaints actually help anyone use Logos Bible Software ? Do you want Faithlife to go out of business ? (get rid of a complaint source)

Honestly could answer questions: What can be improved ? OR What lacks usability ? (while leaving out angry accusations)

Keep Smiling Smile

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Mike Childs | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Apr 16 2021 8:05 PM

MJ. Smith:

DIsciple II:
Why should users have to adjust their expectations all the time because you tell them to MJ.

They asked for help. I offered them help -- i.e. to take Faithlife at its word. They are free to take it or leave it.

MJ certainly does not need my defense.  Still, I would just like to say that every comment she has ever made in these forums has been helpful to others.  Her advice is very sound.  I appreciate her contributions to discussions.

"In all cases, the Church is to be judged by the Scripture, not the Scripture by the Church," John Wesley

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DIsciple II | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Apr 16 2021 8:32 PM

Mike there is no question about her genuine help. It's golden when she is on song. What's at question is the way she chooses to offer that help and they way she speaks down to people at times.  I have been honest and pointed out some painful truths.  If MJ can't back what she gives out, she should not tell people to change their expecations, particularly while at the same time in other posts she demands answers from FL herself.  

MJ is far from being a poor hleps serf so maybe you should have reflected on Mike Binks statement and not injected yourself something MJ has already chossen to walk away. 

Mike Binks:
It seems to me that most disagreements on the forum happen when we think we are a white knight riding to the rescue of some poor hapless serf.

Mike Childs:

MJ. Smith:

DIsciple II:
Why should users have to adjust their expectations all the time because you tell them to MJ.

They asked for help. I offered them help -- i.e. to take Faithlife at its word. They are free to take it or leave it.

MJ certainly does not need my defense.  Still, I would just like to say that every comment she has ever made in these forums has been helpful to others.  Her advice is very sound.  I appreciate her contributions to discussions.

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