Is there an interlinear version of the Peshitta?

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David Paul | Forum Activity | Posted: Wed, Apr 28 2021 6:41 PM

Although I am no fan of reverse interlinears, I would accept one for the Syriac if a normal interlinear is not available.

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DMB | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Apr 29 2021 3:08 PM

AFAIK Logos doesn't offer an interlinear (or reverse) Peshitta.

Worse, again AFAIK only Kiraz's NT is tagged. Being a failed Syriacian, I use his Analytical Lexicon while in Antioch and Leiden.

For any syriacian searchers, these are the syriac volumes (some no longer available):

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David Paul | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Apr 29 2021 7:22 PM

You are the most vocal advocate for Syriac & Aramaic (Targumic) resources on the forum, afaik. Are you working with the OL, or do you rely on English translations?

To me, this is an area of significant oversight on FL's part. If there isn't anything of an interlinear nature available, then FL should employ Lexham in an effort to produce something of this sort for Logos. I'm guessing, but it seems to me that this is something along the lines of "if you build it they will come".

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DMB | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Apr 30 2021 6:56 AM

Regarding syriac, I think (names elude me) another lady is the Syriac expert ... she catches the problems (giving deserved credit). My interest occurs where translation forces a 'decision' (instant commentary). Do you translate 'hard' and misleading, or 'local' and possibly inaccurate. Syriac forces decisions.

Folks sort of forget the Jewish Bible, and the Jewish Messiah writings (aka New Testament) are all jewish writings, both presented in a largely foreign language (greek). The greek would not be the 'natural' way to say something, but unavoidable for the diaspora. So, Syriac (and its good friend aramaic) provide clues (said to be working backwards from the greek ... LXX and NT).

My own pontificating and guessifying, much (let's say maybe 99%) of Christianity hangs on the greek language/concepts, and so, semitic thinking is itself, foreign. A glance at Sanders, while reaching for one more 'go' at a greek lexicon. One big reason why the Logos 'sense' is so silly.

I'm thankful for 'somebodies' at FL that years back, saw the value for syriac ... aramaic ... some Babylonian/Hittite/Egyptian, and maybe even 'Canaanite'.  All without prepub voting, I think.

My guess ... FL can't afford these luxuries anymore, unless directly chargable ... one more dataset.

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Jan Krohn | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Apr 30 2021 8:46 AM

Is there any good English translation of the Peshitta available in Logos?

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DMB | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Apr 30 2021 9:57 AM

David Paul:

You are the most vocal advocate for Syriac & Aramaic (Targumic) resources on the forum, afaik. Are you working with the OL, or do you rely on English translations?

I forgot to answer. I don't care about the english, beyond the OL I don't know(syriac!). Mainly, I work in linguistic mathematics ...imagine metaphorically, a magnifying glass scanning forward, as the author is writing, and predicting his next phrasing, while already tracking his argument signs (for readers/listeners).  When you see a major bump, a good answer is often in a nearby translation. 

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Jan, for the NT, Kiraz is solid; Murdoch did an earlier one which is interesting for comparison. But more importantly, the old syriac gospels received multiple separate treatments, where comparison is important (not allowing greek to overlay the syriac).

For the OT, the only one I like/accept is the Antioch Bible, which is incomplete, and no longer available in Logos. A more well known one (Lamb ... name??) is too much an edited KJV.

Altogether, Logos has 27 english-syriac resources, but only 2 for the whole NT and none for the whole OT.

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Jan Krohn | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Apr 30 2021 11:52 AM

Found it, thanks!

The New Testament: A Literal Translation from the Syriac Peshitto Version (SNT) | Logos Bible Software

OT would've been great though...

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David Paul | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, May 1 2021 2:40 PM

DMB:
For the OT, the only one I like/accept is the Antioch Bible, which is incomplete, and no longer available in Logos.

Wow, didn't realize this happened. I have meant to get it for a long time, and I'm super disappointed I can't any longer.

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David Paul | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, May 1 2021 5:39 PM

https://www.logos.com/product/1804/analytical-lexicon-of-the-syriac-new-testament

Since FL is the publisher of this lexicon, perhaps they would consider revising it at some point to include transliteration of the entries. I personally find Syriac and Arabic to be nearly inscrutable, so having a depiction of the lexeme in English script would go a long way toward making the lexicon useful.

Going to take this opportunity to again request:

FL...PLEASE PRODUCE AN INTERLINEAR SYRIAC/ENGLISH BIBLE, and please include a line of LITERAL transliteration into English script.

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hastaenuntius | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, May 3 2021 12:31 AM

The best days for syriac in Logos seem to be in the past (esp. after nearly nothing from Gorgias remains.) But I have not lost hope for the thesaurus...

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Robert Sussland | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Aug 12 2022 12:44 PM

I second this. Is there a forum where we can request resources like there is for features?

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Aug 12 2022 2:40 PM

Yes, the feedback site is feedback.faithlife.com i.e. Roadmap | Faithlife

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Aug 12 2022 2:41 PM

hastaenuntius:
after nearly nothing from Gorgias remains

I understood this to be the publishers decision.

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hastaenuntius | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Aug 12 2022 10:36 PM

Robert Sussland:

I second this. Is there a forum where we can request resources like there is for features?

But as the Thesaurus is already in Community Pricing, only people who show interest will help ;-)

https://www.logos.com/product/186396/thesaurus-syriacus-and-supplement

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DMB | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Aug 13 2022 5:44 AM

https://www.logos.com/product/186396/thesaurus-syriacus-and-supplement 

Thank you hastaenuntius ... I had not noticed it!  I try to remind other people, but I need reminding too.

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Just for info, the forum software wants a space after a web link, to activate it.

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Lew Worthington | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Aug 13 2022 8:41 AM

It says my bid for the thesaurus will likely succeed. I wonder what precisely "succeed" means in this context. Stick out tongue

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