Providence by Piper

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Milkman | Forum Activity | Posted: Tue, May 4 2021 11:34 AM

For those of us who purchased Providence by John Piper I was wondering what your initial thoughts are so far?

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Bruce Dunning | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, May 4 2021 11:51 AM

This is on my wish list too so I would be interested what people think of it. I believe I heard an interview of Piper on this book and he said it was one of the most important books he has written. It is pretty large at over 700 pages!

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Milkman | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, May 4 2021 12:42 PM

Just watching a You Tube interview right now with him and Joe Rigney about the book.

John Piper’s Big Book on the Providence of God - YouTube

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Paul Caneparo | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, May 4 2021 1:17 PM

Bruce Dunning:

This is on my wish list too so I would be interested what people think of it. I believe I heard an interview of Piper on this book and he said it was one of the most important books he has written. It is pretty large at over 700 pages!

You can "preview" it here:

https://www.desiringgod.org/books/providence

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DAL | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, May 4 2021 1:47 PM

I got the free PDF from his website 👍😁👌

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Bruce Dunning | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, May 4 2021 1:53 PM

DAL:
I got the free PDF from his website 👍😁👌

Yes, John Piper and the entire Desiring God team is very generous! Having it in Logos is even better.

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DAL | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, May 4 2021 2:19 PM

Bruce Dunning:

DAL:
I got the free PDF from his website 👍😁👌

Yes, John Piper and the entire Desiring God team is very generous! Having it in Logos is even better.

Very generous indeed! For now is on my wishlist also! Too many great sales going on!

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Paul Caneparo | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, May 5 2021 12:48 AM

Bruce Dunning:

DAL:
I got the free PDF from his website 👍😁👌

Yes, John Piper and the entire Desiring God team is very generous! Having it in Logos is even better.

Agree. I have 80 books in separate wishlists that I own in other formats, but which I'll pick up when available with a deep discount in Logos or Faithlife eBooks.

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Jonathan Bradley | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, May 6 2021 12:53 PM

Milkman:

For those of us who purchased Providence by John Piper I was wondering what your initial thoughts are so far?

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I'm only 130 or so pages in, and I am really enjoying it. It is really a Biblical Theology on the Providence of God, going through Scriptures, starting at the beginning. But that is just how it is with 570+ pages left to read. There is a lot of good stuff in there.

Surprisingly however is the readability of this. My first John Piper read was "Let the Nations Be Glad" and it was a hard read. This is an easy and very understandable read that I am immensely enjoying.

-Jonathan

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Milkman | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, May 7 2021 7:17 AM

For those interested Piper has a 10 Part series on You Tube entitled The Providence of God.

check it out!

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Josh Hunt | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, May 7 2021 8:13 AM

I am guessing he will come down with Sproul:

If there is one single molecule in this universe running around loose, totally free of God's sovereignty, then we have no guarantee that a single promise of God will ever be fulfilled.”

 

The key word is "totally free." If we keep this in mind, I suppose everyone would agree. I have always seen Sovereignty as a dog on a leash. God determines the length of the leash--and God rules with a pretty long leash.  He lets a lot of things happen that are not his perfect will or desire. 

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1Cor10:31 | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, May 7 2021 6:14 PM

Josh Hunt:

I am guessing he will come down with Sproul:

If there is one single molecule in this universe running around loose, totally free of God's sovereignty, then we have no guarantee that a single promise of God will ever be fulfilled.”

 

The key word is "totally free." If we keep this in mind, I suppose everyone would agree. I have always seen Sovereignty as a dog on a leash. God determines the length of the leash--and God rules with a pretty long leash.  He lets a lot of things happen that are not his perfect will or desire. 

thoughts?

To me, God being sovereign implies He has free will. But He endowed us with free will too. How to reconcile both God and humans having free will? To me, God's free will sets boundaries within which our free will can operate. We can never pierce the boundaries set by His free will. 

By definition, God's free will should be able to override human free will. But He never has to exercise this option. Why? Because of His infinite wisdom (which implies perfect foresight; chew on that causation), He never ever has to allow a human being, whose free will He has to restrain, to be born in this world. [If He has to override human free will, there is no reason to give human free will, and it will look like a God who can't plan it all perfectly.]  

Then, how do we reconcile verses where we see God influencing human free will? Remember God hardening Pharaoh's heart. To me, the reason such verses are in the Bible to prove to some people (who are not endowed by God to climb intellectually hard mountains) that God can control human beings. Remember, He is a God for both intellectuals and others because He created them both. He is like a social planner who takes all of mankind into account in His decisions.

This is one of my favorite topics, so I can go on, but I'll stop here.

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, May 7 2021 6:41 PM

Please keep an eye out for becoming a theological discussion (a no-no) rather than a discussion of the Logos resource (a yes-yes) that it began as. And thanks for your civility.

Orthodox Bishop Hilarion Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."

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