Need education in the Septuagint - chapters and verses don't seem to match

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Richard L Dickson | Forum Activity | Posted: Mon, May 24 2021 4:21 PM

Ok, I have the ESV and the LLXXI open with the interlinear feature turned on, and am looking at Psalm 82.  After "A Psalm of Asaph" I can't even tell that it's the same psalm.  Obviously, I'm missing something.  Can anyone help educate me?

Thanks. 

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, May 24 2021 4:30 PM

Yes, for much of the psalms the Masoretic and LXX are off one on psalm numbers - Masoretic 8-9 are a single psalm 8 in the LXX which puts the numbering off.   Complete list of differences (I think)

Here is a table of the differences:

Greek (LXX) Numbering
and Latin Vulgate (V) Numbering
Hebrew Numbering
most English Numbering
1-8 1-8
9 9 and 10
10-112 11-113
113 114 and 115
114 116:1-9
115 116:10-19
116-145 117-146
146 147:1-11
147 147:12-20
148-150 148-150

 

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Ken McGuire | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, May 24 2021 4:32 PM

It isn't the same Psalm.. There are, indeed, multiple ways of dividing the Psalms into 150. The Masoretic Text in Hebrew is the way that the ESV - and just about all English Translations now - numbers them. But there is another ancient way of numbering them, followed by the LXX and Vulgate.

Faithlife years ago spent a fair amount of time on various Bible versification databases, and because of this, I am able to make a Link Set between the ESV and the LXX Interlinear so I don't have to know this - instead the software moves them together automatically. From this, I can see that ESV Ps 82:1 is the same as LXX Ps 81:2 - the title is verse 1 in LXX...

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DMB | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, May 24 2021 5:28 PM

Richard L Dickson:
Ok, I have the ESV and the LLXXI open with the interlinear feature turned on

Just adding, I usually just try to pick 'one' as the leader (usually my english translation). Quite often I forget, using the MT (hebrew). However, I think just today, life was going haywire, where the Tanakh (english) was 3 verses behind the NRSV, which in-turn was matching the MT. Turned out to be 10-commandment versifying. It's interesting.

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, May 24 2021 5:29 PM

Jeremiah has some interesting discrepancies as well.

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Richard L Dickson | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, May 24 2021 6:01 PM

Thanks so much for everyone's input.  This is a great nugget of information to know.  I had checked a few other psalm chapters and they matched up, so I figured it must be something that an original language scholar would know that I didn't.  So I guess you guys qualify as language scholars!!!

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David Thomas | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, May 25 2021 7:42 AM

MJ. Smith:

Here is a table of the differences:

Greek (LXX) Numbering
and Latin Vulgate (V) Numbering
Hebrew Numbering
most English Numbering
1-8 1-8
9 9 and 10
10-112 11-113
113 114 and 115
114 116:1-9
115 116:10-19
116-145 117-146
146 147:1-11
147 147:12-20
148-150 148-150

Also may be helpful in discussions with those who speak/read other languages. I (an English speaker) used to teach a Sunday School class in Russian (via an interpreter). When I cut and pasted from Русский Синодальный Перевод (Russian Synodal Translation) (RST) | Logos Bible Software to make my PPT visuals I had to often mark the difference in chapter numbers because RST uses LXX numbering.

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