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IHSA | Forum Activity | Posted: Thu, May 27 2021 5:00 PM

I have been tasked to write a reflection paper on a book by Timothy Keller using the prompt:

“The way to serve God at work is to make as much money as you can, so that you can be as generous as you can.”

Can someone help me with a search term that will show me everything in my resources that is relevant to that prompt? Any and all help will be greatly appreciated.

Thanks a lot!

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Beloved Amodeo | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, May 27 2021 6:57 PM

IHSA:

I have been tasked to write a reflection paper on a book by Timothy Keller using the prompt:

“The way to serve God at work is to make as much money as you can, so that you can be as generous as you can.”

Can someone help me with a search term that will show me everything in my resources that is relevant to that prompt? Any and all help will be greatly appreciated.

Thanks a lot!

I found this article... https://purposeinleadership.com/2014/11/10/serve-god-in-your-work/  And this book... https://www.logos.com/product/136713/every-good-endeavor-connecting-your-work-to-gods-work Factbook may be helpful using the book.

Meanwhile, Jesus kept on growing wiser and more mature, and in favor with God and his fellow man.

International Standard Version. (2011). (Lk 2:52). Yorba Linda, CA: ISV Foundation.

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IHSA | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, May 27 2021 7:13 PM

I found this article... https://purposeinleadership.com/2014/11/10/serve-god-in-your-work/  And this book... https://www.logos.com/product/136713/every-good-endeavor-connecting-your-work-to-gods-work Factbook may be helpful using the book. 

Thank You! But what I am looking for is a search term that I can use to search my library for resources to help me on this matter. 

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Beloved Amodeo | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, May 27 2021 7:29 PM

IHSA:

I found this article... https://purposeinleadership.com/2014/11/10/serve-god-in-your-work/  And this book... https://www.logos.com/product/136713/every-good-endeavor-connecting-your-work-to-gods-work Factbook may be helpful using the book. 

Thank You! But what I am looking for is a search term that I can use to search my library for resources to help me on this matter. 

Try serve (God, Christ, Jesus, Lord) NEAR (work, business, enterprise, money)

Meanwhile, Jesus kept on growing wiser and more mature, and in favor with God and his fellow man.

International Standard Version. (2011). (Lk 2:52). Yorba Linda, CA: ISV Foundation.

MacBook Pro macOS Big Sur 11.4

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IHSA | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, May 27 2021 7:31 PM

Thank yo so much Brother. That is very helpful.

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Bob | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, May 27 2021 7:35 PM

Just a starting point: money NEAR generous.

wait for KS4J though.  KS4J will have a way better search.  KS4J always does.

Bob

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Beloved Amodeo | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, May 27 2021 8:25 PM

Maybe improving is... serve (God, Christ, Jesus, Lord) NEAR (using, employing, practicing) (work, business, enterprise, money)

Meanwhile, Jesus kept on growing wiser and more mature, and in favor with God and his fellow man.

International Standard Version. (2011). (Lk 2:52). Yorba Linda, CA: ISV Foundation.

MacBook Pro macOS Big Sur 11.4

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Beloved Amodeo | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, May 27 2021 8:47 PM

Twerking... serve (God, Christ, Jesus, Lord) NEAR (using, by, doing, through, employing, practicing) (work, business, enterprise, money)

Meanwhile, Jesus kept on growing wiser and more mature, and in favor with God and his fellow man.

International Standard Version. (2011). (Lk 2:52). Yorba Linda, CA: ISV Foundation.

MacBook Pro macOS Big Sur 11.4

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Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :) | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, May 27 2021 9:42 PM

IHSA:

I have been tasked to write a reflection paper on a book by Timothy Keller using the prompt:

“The way to serve God at work is to make as much money as you can, so that you can be as generous as you can.”

Can someone help me with a search term that will show me everything in my resources that is relevant to that prompt?

Search idea for a number of articles & chapters to consider:

([field heading,largetext] motivation,serve,steal) WITHIN 11 WORDS (Lord, God, hands) WITHIN 22 WORDS (business, generous, give, labor, labour, money, work)

Keep Smiling Smile

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Hamilton Ramos | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jun 18 2021 11:37 AM

IHSA:
“The way to serve God at work is to make as much money as you can, so that you can be as generous as you can.”

Some ideas:

Reflection: think of the positive, negative and the possible.

Do you want to see the topic from a macro or micro view? or maybe a combination?

Money is an artifact, that has value in a society where it can be used as an exchange method in a free market, and is generally considered positive to have (attitude), to be able to provide for the needs of the family / clan.

The Bible talks about unjust wealth. Does it have to do with the way it is obtained?

E.g. Middleman exploits producers, and abuses final consumer, pays little to the former, and charges much to the latter, he then makes good profit, is this ethical?

How about if the product or service does not cause harm, and uses money from the final user that would have spent it on vice, to help evangelize that same market segment that is paying for the product or service? definitively a gray area.

Now what if the profit margin is low, and producer is well payed, and final consumer not charged too much, but the process of producing the product poisons substrata water or causes contamination to other Earth resources?

What about stakeholders, people that live in the community where the goods are manufactured, are they bearing too great a burden with contaminated rivers due to toxic residues byproduct of production processes?

Then the distribution problem: is it ok to have the owner of the means of production get the most of the surplus amount gotten by the selling of the products produced?

Scandinavia has moved to what is called the middle way: not untamed capitalism, neither ineffective communism, but they chose middle of the way: cooperativism.

The means of production are owned collectively, and the surplus of benefits produced by the selling of the products is distributed evenly among the members of the cooperative.  This seems to be more in line with the Bible thrust of having things (means of production in this case) in common.

So there is many angles in which you can reflect on the acquisition of wealth in a free market, by various means. 

It is important that the initiatives be socially responsible (cause no harm, help with problems, creates better living conditions, etc), take care of right distribution of excedents (profit), and has systems where injustices (in the productive organization itself) are prevented and investigated to prevent recurrence of waste, abuse, misuse, etc.

There are many good resources that can give both macro and micro views on the productive and economic process:

https://www.logos.com/search?query=economic%20ethics&sortBy=Relevance&limit=60&page=1&ownership=all&geographicAvailability=availableToMe 

https://www.logos.com/search?query=exploited&sortBy=Relevance&limit=60&page=1&ownership=all&geographicAvailability=availableToMe 

Now about serving God is a topic in itself: can we serve God in a free market where power players usually set their interests above regular humanity?

Many cooperatives have allowed groups of people to achieve many important socioeconomic goals in a more christian way. Have they checked to see that there is no exploitation in there supply chain or the distribution system? that depends on the particular cooperative.

In Scandinavia over 40% Gnp is contributed by cooperatives, and they have some of the highest quality of life standards, could something similar be achieved in western countries?

Possibilities are very interesting.

Hope you can see that there are many angles when reflecting about systems that are supposed to be in support of human flourishing, and not the other way around (humans in support of unregulated resource depleting capitalism that benefits very few in the long run).

Different angle for further research, reflection and constructive comment.

Peace and grace.

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Mike Binks | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jun 19 2021 2:18 AM

"There are many good resources that can give both macro and micro views on the productive and economic process:

https://www.logos.com/search?query=economic%20ethics&sortBy=Relevance&limit=60&page=1&ownership=all&geographicAvailability=availableToMe

https://www.logos.com/search?query=exploited&sortBy=Relevance&limit=60&page=1&ownership=all&geographicAvailability=availableToMe"

Well! that about answers the Original Poster's (OP) question within the forum guidelines.

I read the rest of your post, Hamilton, some of it resonated and some of it made me fume. It is very hard to ask unbiased questions and, from my reading, you didn't try very hard.

When help such as the OP seeks this arises, I wonder if you would consider writing a blog or something on another platform and pointing those interested to it by providing a link.

Something like 'If you would like to read my thoughts on how to progress your study you can find them here".

I do really resent being made to fume on a forum I enjoy because of its practical and technical nature.

tootle pip

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1Cor10:31 | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jun 19 2021 4:51 AM

Mike Binks:

I read the rest of your post, Hamilton, some of it resonated and some of it made me fume. It is very hard to ask unbiased questions and, from my reading, you didn't try very hard.

I do really resent being made to fume on a forum I enjoy because of its practical and technical nature.

Some people are given "favored" status on the Forums by the implicit moderators (aka MVPs), so they are allowed to circumvent Forum guidelines.  

As a capitalist, I had to restrain myself from not responding to this post. 

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Hamilton Ramos | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jun 19 2021 10:26 AM

Mike Binks:
I read the rest of your post, Hamilton, some of it resonated and some of it made me fume. It is very hard to ask unbiased questions and, from my reading, you didn't try very hard.

How can one add different angles to a person's conceptual framework so they can look for resources that can help them pursue interesting angles to them without mentioning some of the key issues involved in the analysis?

I am not saying that capitalism is wrong, but that some see that untamed it can be dangerous, some are very communist oriented, when in reality most such experiments have not been as successful as expected.

I mentioned cooperativism because maybe interested persons may want to explore if there is a relation between quality of life and such system that needs to work in a free market.

If the different issues involved are not mentioned how can the string effective searches to leverage his particular L9 library?

I am trying to help the person, just as I would like to be helped by giving some conceptual framework so that I can research better. Thanks to the person asking for the particular subject, I was able to find very good resources that I did not know existed, is not that part of the goal of the forums? to help persons find good resources and advice to leverage their L9 libraries?

Maybe there is a good suggestion, to develop a button so that one can hide the input of certain person, so that all I write can be hidden from you and others that take most of my input as trying to violate guidelines on purpose.

I do know that I would not use such button, as I am aware that I have not ultimate truth under my arm, and must give everyone a chance to express their mind so I can be aware of angles I am ignorant about in certain issues.

I am not trying to start polemics, but to give wide venues for further research, in the end each must come to their own conclusions.

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Hamilton Ramos | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jun 19 2021 10:33 AM

1Cor10:31:
Some people are given "favored" status on the Forums by the implicit moderators (aka MVPs), so they are allowed to circumvent Forum guidelines.  

Hi 1Cor10:31:

How would you go about making explicit certain key issues in a topic for further research, reflection and constructive comment, without "violating guidelines"?

Many here are capitalists, and are very aware that Christian ethics are very important to be aware of certain hazards that can happen if not careful, my point was that there are many good resources that can help one enlarge conceptual framework in this area.

At no point I am saying that one system is better than other, I am just pointing out that under certain circumstances, there are some systems that work well within free markets, and seem to be better aligned with Biblical Christianity something that FL most likely understand (study and application of the Bible), and maybe approve.

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Mike Binks | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jun 19 2021 1:08 PM

Hamilton Ramos:
How can one add different angles to a person's conceptual framework so they can look for resources that can help them pursue interesting angles to them without mentioning some of the key issues involved in the analysis?

In this forum, one does not help by condescending to assume that a person needs different angles adding to their conceptual framework.

In another setting, this supposed intellectual stimulation might be appropriate. In my opinion, it is not appropriate here first because it violates forum guidelines, and second, it looks like grandstanding.

I think you could just about get away with my suggestion of pointing the OP to a Blog Post or similar that you prepared and posted elsewhere.

tootle pip

Mike

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1Cor10:31 | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jun 19 2021 1:27 PM

Hamilton Ramos:

At no point I am saying that one system is better than other.

See below what you said...

Hamilton Ramos:

Scandinavia has moved to what is called the middle way: not untamed capitalism, neither ineffective communism, but they chose middle of the way: cooperativism.

The means of production are owned collectively, and the surplus of benefits produced by the selling of the products is distributed evenly among the members of the cooperative.  This seems to be more in line with the Bible thrust of having things (means of production in this case) in common.

You are effectively stating that the Bible endorses Scandinavian way of running the economy. 

I have no interest in giving people a history lesson of capitalism vs. communism vs some middle ground.

Hamilton Ramos:

I am just pointing out that under certain circumstances, there are some systems that work well within free markets, and seem to be better aligned with Biblical Christianity something that FL most likely understand (study and application of the Bible), and maybe approve.

If this doesn't sound like you're expressing an opinion, it is because you've been free to express opinions because of your "favored" boy status!  [It is like if I don't censure my students when they cheat, it encourages them to cheat more and over time, they don't even think of it as cheating]

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jun 19 2021 1:36 PM

1Cor10:31:
it is because you've been free to express opinions because of your "favored" boy status! 

He does not have favored boy status to the best of my knowledge. I think of it more as "only Faithlife can handle". In my mental list there are less than a handful of forum members on this list. It is because I know that I don't know how to communicate with them that I tend to avoid them. No need to expose the forums to my foreseeable failures.

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Hamilton Ramos | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jun 19 2021 4:09 PM

Mike Binks:
In another setting, this supposed intellectual stimulation might be appropriate. In my opinion, it is not appropriate here first because it violates forum guidelines, and second, it looks like grandstanding.

Seems a conjecture based on scant objective evidence. I am not an expert at search, but I do know a thing or two about cooperatives, and how they have been very successful into aiding with persons socioeconomic situations.

It has worked well with French Canadians, people in England and Germany, and is working for us. Not many persons are acquainted with Cooperativism, which done right, seems to be very aligned with Bible thrust for justice and mercy.

So I ask the same question I asked another poster:

How would you go about making explicit certain key issues in a topic for further research, reflection and constructive comment, without "violating guidelines"?

Mike Binks:
I think you could just about get away with my suggestion of pointing the OP to a Blog Post or similar that you prepared and posted elsewhere.

Is not pointing to a personal blog  another no no?

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Hamilton Ramos | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jun 19 2021 4:15 PM

1Cor10:31:
You are effectively stating that the Bible endorses Scandinavian way of running the economy. 

If you see, I wrote very clearly the following:

1Cor10:31:
and seem to be better aligned with Biblical Christianity

obviously there have been cases in which the cooperative does not.

1Cor10:31:
free to express opinions because of your "favored" boy status!

what makes you think I am favored?, I try to be very respectful of other posters, and try to post relevant and useful information so that anyone interested can research further using the amazing tools L9 provides.

I would love to read about your thoughts about capitalism, communism, and other ways, because I am sure I would learn a lot, and many angles not obvious to me now would open.

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1Cor10:31 | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jun 19 2021 5:37 PM

MJ. Smith:

He does not have favored boy status to the best of my knowledge. I think of it more as "only Faithlife can handle". In my mental list there are less than a handful of forum members on this list. It is because I know that I don't know how to communicate with them that I tend to avoid them. 

As a researcher, we always ask why? Why do we ask "why?"? To get to the ultimate cause of anything and everything. In this context, what causes a person to get on the "favored" list that shields the person from censure and allows the person to opine at every given opportunity? Financial economists would say that people behave the way they do based on the implicit and explicit incentives facing them.

Let's say I see a student cheating and the student sees me seeing him cheat. If I don’t censure him, I am providing implicit incentives for him to cheat even more in the future. There doesn’t have to be explicit incentive encouraging him to cheat. The people on the "favored" list got there because they were not censured when they opined. The result is that they got bolder and bolder.  

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