A Bug or a Feature? - Logos 9.5.SR-1

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Andrew Batishko | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jun 1 2021 10:31 AM

My apologies. I wasn't intending to come across as arguing. I was just attempting to explain why it was intentionally implemented this way.

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David Thomas | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jun 1 2021 11:43 AM

Andrew Batishko:
It was implemented this way to mimic the behavior of the main menu in many Windows application.

Andrew, I concur that there are some apps that act as you have demonstrated. However, I also have other apps/programs that operate as Gerald has requested. Namely, any of the Office Suite of programs with their "Ribbon" interface. [e.g. if I click Home in WORD, then the Home options populate the ribbon, then if I mouse over to insert, draw, design, etc. the Home options remain viewable on the ribbon]

I conclude this is was an intentional UI decision by Faithlife (rather than a bug); but that it is not a universally applied decision. I don't know how early it was implemented in Logos, and personally I'm OK either way Big Smile

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SineNomine | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jun 1 2021 7:13 PM

David Thomas:

Andrew Batishko:
It was implemented this way to mimic the behavior of the main menu in many Windows application.

Andrew, I concur that there are some apps that act as you have demonstrated.

Just for reference, these include Evernote, iTunes, LibreOffice Writer, Notepad, and Zotero,which are all fairly well established.

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Gerald P. Swetsky | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jun 1 2021 9:57 PM

Much as I regret starting this thread...  Why?  Because you people have twisted this way out of proportion.

One more time!  I CLICK on Library.  It brings up my Library.  The Library is NOT a drop down menu, it is a function of Logos.  If I then move over to Docs WITHOUT clicking the mouse, my Library disappears!!!  Yes, if I were to bring up my Library, then moved over and CLICKED on Docs, then YES, I would expect my Library to disappear!!  But I DIDN'T click on anything.

ITunes doesn't do that, Notepad doesn't do that, Photoshop doesn't do that!

Logos does that and it's annoying!  It's also a bug!

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jun 2 2021 12:39 AM

Gerald P. Swetsky:
One more time!  I CLICK on Library.  It brings up my Library.  The Library is NOT a drop down menu, it is a function of Logos.  If I then move over to Docs WITHOUT clicking the mouse, my Library disappears!!! 

It's not that I don't understand what you are saying, it's that we don't have a common language. I'll try one more time using slightly different terminology.:

  • When you simply click on the library icon, what opens is NOT a real window/panel -- it is a temporary panel that is open only as long as the focus is on it ... move outside it and it disappears.
  • When you choose a menu option - Open,/Open in a new tab/Open in a floating window - you open a realwindow/panel (a persistent window). This remains open until you deliberately close it.
  • This is the expected behavior and has been the same for many releases. I have wracked my brain trying to figure out what is causing it to seem unfamiliar or wrong to you ...

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Mike Binks | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jun 2 2021 7:20 AM

MJ. Smith:
When you simply click on the library icon, what opens is NOT a real window/panel -- it is a temporary panel that is open only as long as the focus is on it ... move outside it and it disappears.

This is not what I experience on my Macs. When I click on the Library icon it opens the non-panel library display.

Screenshot 2021-06-02 At 15.14.53

This non-panel will remain open until such time as I actually click on something outside the display, use the display to open a resource or swap spaces, etc.

Moving my cursor anywhere on either of my two screens does not dismiss the display.

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Gerald P. Swetsky | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jun 2 2021 7:28 AM

M.J., being as how your computer operates in a different fashion than the rest of ours, this argument is obviously moot.

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Graham Criddle | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jun 2 2021 7:45 AM

Mike Binks:
This is not what I experience on my Macs

Yes - this is one of the interesting implementation differences between Mac and Windows.

On Windows, I see the same behaviour as MJ.

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Gerald P. Swetsky | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jun 2 2021 7:50 AM

My computer is a PC, guys and when I bring up my Library, it has always stayed there until I click elsewhere - until SR-1!!!

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Graham Criddle | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jun 2 2021 8:18 AM

HI Gerry

I'm trying to understand why we are seeing different results. I've just tried this on a Windows laptop running Logos 9.4

I opened the Library, I then moved the cursor over to the Docs menu and that dropdown opened and the library one closed.

The video at https://1drv.ms/v/s!Ageu8AF7ERmDgd0ZJk40w2HSPxrF6w?e=QfF3ni shows this (apologies for the poor video quality, I don't have video capture software on that computer).

Are the steps I followed the same as those you are following?

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Gerald P. Swetsky | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jun 2 2021 8:30 AM

Here we are, back to square one!  M.J. said when he moved his mouse ANYWHERE, the Library closed.  On our systems, moving the cursor ANYWHERE without clicking had no effect on the Library UNTIL recently.  Now moving the cursor over the Docs, Guides, Tools and several other drop-downs, cancels the Library.

This is the reason I posted!  It's an annoying bug that should be corrected!  I wish people from Logos would read these posts!

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Graham Criddle | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jun 2 2021 8:33 AM

Gerald P. Swetsky:
M.J. said when he moved his mouse ANYWHERE

M.J. is a lady

Gerald P. Swetsky:
On our systems, moving the cursor ANYWHERE without clicking had no effect on the Library UNTIL recently.  Now moving the cursor over the Docs, Guides, Tools and several other drop-downs, cancels the Library.

This is what I am trying to understand. As far as I can see, the behaviour on 9.4 - as shown in the video - is the same as in 9.5 SR1.

Or am I misunderstanding what you are describing?

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Gerald P. Swetsky | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jun 2 2021 8:47 AM

I noticed this behavior only recently.  I assumed it happened with SR-1.  Whenever it happened, I can see no adverse effects with changing it (back).

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Andrew Batishko | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jun 2 2021 9:08 AM

Gerald P. Swetsky:
I wish people from Logos would read these posts!

I have been reading these posts.

The behavior with moving your mouse over other items in the top part of the main window causing the library to close is not new. The application has behaved this way for a long, long time.

As stated earlier, I'm not sure why you are only noticing this behavior now. It's possible this has something to do with how you used to see the Library popup take up the entire screen. I believe there was a recent change to prevent popup windows from taking up the full screen (or even being larger than can fit on the screen).

The smaller size of the Window means that the other buttons are now visible, which means you are now experiencing the behavior that you couldn't see before when the other buttons weren't even visible.

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David Thomas | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jun 2 2021 9:47 AM

Graham Criddle:
I am trying to understand. As far as I can see, the behaviour on 9.4

also found this behavior (no "u" in American spelling Wink) in an old installation of 8.5

clicked on Library and displayed a panel

Moved mouse over the Docs button [without clicking] and the doc panel opened

I can't explain why Gerald recalls a different behavior. Andrew's explanation of popup windows seems quite plausible depending upon the monitor size, resolution and scaling permitting the Docs, Guides, Tools buttons to be obscured by the popup.

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Gerald P. Swetsky | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jun 2 2021 3:03 PM

First of all, forgive my (mis)spelling of the word behavior.  Your spell checker caught it, however I apparently passed over it.

I find it incongruous that, with Logos sitting in front of me, I can mouse over the entire screen with nothing coming up with the exception of a few tags and short descriptions of the resources I have open.  However, once I CLICK on Library, Docs, Guides, Tools or some others further right, then the entire top row will respond to my passing my mouse over them!

I'm certain that's a feature.  And by the way, I am by no means a newbie.  I have been using Logos since the late 1990's.

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jun 2 2021 3:44 PM

Gerald P. Swetsky:

And by the way, I am by no means a newbie.  I have been using Logos since the late 1990's.

I know and that is why I am as puzzled as you although for different reasons. I'm starting to grasp at straws such as the mouse being set to a more sensitive setting so that it responds more quickly . . .

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Rick Ausdahl | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jun 2 2021 4:02 PM

Andrew Batishko:

Gerald P. Swetsky:
I wish people from Logos would read these posts!

I have been reading these posts.

The behavior with moving your mouse over other items in the top part of the main window causing the library to close is not new. The application has behaved this way for a long, long time.

As stated earlier, I'm not sure why you are only noticing this behavior now. It's possible this has something to do with how you used to see the Library popup take up the entire screen. I believe there was a recent change to prevent popup windows from taking up the full screen (or even being larger than can fit on the screen).

The smaller size of the Window means that the other buttons are now visible, which means you are now experiencing the behavior that you couldn't see before when the other buttons weren't even visible.

That seems like a fairly plausible explanation as to why/how the behavior wouldn't be seen/noticed in the past.

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Gerald P. Swetsky | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jun 2 2021 4:51 PM

Agreed, Rick; and thank you!  I shall to continue to have the Library come up on my second monitor.  I much prefer the full screen version.

Gerry

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David Thomas | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jun 3 2021 7:33 AM

Gerald P. Swetsky:
First of all, forgive my (mis)spelling of the word behavior. 

Just so that you know there was no malicious intent on my part, the mention of spelling was my [jovial] jab at Graham, who resides on the Eastern side of the Atlantic. I can truly appreciate how one may feel if he/she senses he is being misunderstood and then some joker picks on some piece of minutia.

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