New Testament First Nations Version

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Beloved Amodeo | Forum Activity | Posted: Tue, Aug 17 2021 10:29 AM

I look forward to the impending release of First Nations Version:An Indigenous Translation of the New Testament.

Does anyone have the physical version and can comment on the reading experience?

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International Standard Version. (2011). (Lk 2:52). Yorba Linda, CA: ISV Foundation.

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Damian McGrath | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Aug 17 2021 2:47 PM

on Amazon, the book is still listed as a pre-order.

you can read the introduction and the beginning of Matthew there.

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Beloved Amodeo | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Aug 17 2021 3:18 PM

Damian McGrath:

on Amazon, the book is still listed as a pre-order.

you can read the introduction and the beginning of Matthew there.

Thanks, for pointing that out, Damian.

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Beloved Amodeo | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Aug 17 2021 3:59 PM

Damian McGrath:

on Amazon, the book is still listed as a pre-order.

you can read the introduction and the beginning of Matthew there.

I should have been more careful with my approach to the Amazon page. The dedication page brought tears to my eyes. Jesus called Creator Sets Free; how beautiful and true. Thank you, again Damian.

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Damian McGrath | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Aug 17 2021 3:59 PM

Thanks to you. I did not know this translation and have now preordered 

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Beloved Amodeo | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Aug 17 2021 4:54 PM

A stirring translation of the Lord's Prayer and other surprises are found here:

https://firstnationsversion.com 

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NB.Mick | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Aug 18 2021 1:46 AM

Damian McGrath:

Thanks to you. I did not know this translation and have now preordered 

Same here. This sounds very interesting

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Bruce Dunning | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Aug 18 2021 6:53 AM

Beloved Amodeo:

A stirring translation of the Lord's Prayer and other surprises are found here:

https://firstnationsversion.com 

What a moving reading of the Lord's Prayer. This looks like a fascinating translation.

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DAL | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Aug 30 2021 3:24 PM

Talk about changing the Word of God 180 degrees! For “glancing” or curiosity, maybe, but not something I would take to the pulpit.  Reminds me of the cockney bible in England.

 I think I’ll pass! Too much explaining needed for everything he says.  He has to explain what words refer to Jesus and John because he doesn’t really mention them by name.  And I don’t think I’m comfortable sending my word to the great “spirits.” Definitely only a souvenir in my book so if you want to buy it for me go ahead.

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DAL | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Aug 30 2021 6:13 PM

The model prayer in cockney for those who are curious about it: 😁

ello, Dad, up there in good old ‘eaven, Your name is, well, great and ‘oly, and we respect you, Guv. We ‘ope we can all ‘ave a butcher’s at ‘eaven and be there as soon as possible. And we want to make you ‘appy, Guv, and do what you want ‘ere on earth, just like what you do in ‘eaven. Guv, please give us some Uncle Fred, and enough grub and stuff to keep us going today. And we ‘ope you’ll forgive us when we cock things up, just like we’re supposed to forgive them who annoy us and do dodgy stuff to us. There’s a lot of dodgy people around, Guv; please don’t let us get tempted to do bad things. ‘elp keep us away from all the nasty, evil stuff and keep that dodgy Satan away from us, ‘cos you’re much stronger than ‘im. You’re the Boss, God, and will be forever, innit? Cheers, Amen!
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DAL | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Aug 31 2021 4:09 AM

This is not really a translation, but as the description says, “a retelling…” I wouldn’t even call this a dynamic equivalence translation as it plainly adds too much when instead of saying “Give us our daily bread or food,” he goes on to add “buffalo, salmon, etc.” I think it’s more of a rewrite the Bible to make it sound like a native tribe poem.  They have failed to do any translating so their statement is clearly wrong when they say in the description: “…while remaining faithful to the original language of the New Testament.” It most definitely seems like they just read an English translation and they said, “ok, let’s try to make it sound like one of our many stories so we can have our own “translation.”

After reading some samples, I would only consider this as a souvenir and nothing more.  Besides, the Logos edition is more expensive and is not even a study Bible with notes and all.

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Whyndell Grizzard | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Aug 31 2021 5:19 AM

I hope this is a joke- really what a perverted one if it is.

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James Macleod | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Sep 1 2021 9:07 AM

I find these translations patronizing, as if First Nations people can't understand the Word of God like the rest of us. Everything has to be explained to them by the translator. In so doing, the scripture is corrupted. It is more about marketing than anything else. Better to get a good accurate translation in a language you understand and study it for yourself.

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SineNomine | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Sep 1 2021 11:33 AM

More info here: https://religionnews.com/2021/08/31/first-nations-version-translates-the-new-testament-for-native-american-readers/

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Sep 1 2021 2:04 PM

James Macleod:
Better to get a good accurate translation in a language you understand and study it for yourself.

We forget that we live in a Christian culture in the sense that our concepts mesh well with Christian concepts. This is not true of all the world. Concepts have to be conveyed that are unfamiliar which affects what is meant by a "accurate translation". The only people who can judge whether or not this is a good translation is people who think in First Nation concepts.

The example I usually use to illustrate the problem is not scriptural but Christmas. In the Northern West, the coming of light is a common image of Christmas -- the unproductive winter giving way to the produce of spring. If, however, you live in India, the coming of light is a negative image - the arrival of the hot dry season with its frequent famines in some areas.

Please don't tarnish the image of Christians by implying only Western Europeans and their intellectual children are the appropriate market for Christian scripture. That harkens back to the colonialist missionary who tried to convert the heathen not only to Christianity but to Western European culture.

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DAL | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Sep 1 2021 5:41 PM

I showed this to a Native American family friends of mine and a couple of other Native Americans also and they even thought this wasn’t even a translation and that all the extras were really unnecessary when they watched the clip on ”the Lord’s prayer.” So it’s not about making christians look bad or as bigots, but about keeping things simple without adding or taking away from the Word, let alone push the limits of poetic license or misrepresent dynamic equivalent translations altogether.

I stand by what I said, this is, like part of the description says, just a “retelling” and a complete blatant rewrite of the Bible that’s not even “remaining faithful to the original language of the N.T.” like they falsely claim.

The simplicity of the gospel is such that anyone from any culture can understand it and Paul made that clear in 1 Corinthians 2:1-2. 

Anyway, maybe it can be a free book of the month once it comes out of prepub 👍😁👌

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James Macleod | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Sep 1 2021 11:09 PM

" implying only Western Europeans and their intellectual children are the appropriate market for Christian scripture."

I have no idea what you are on about. This is not about imposing Western Culture or concepts on people but helping people understand what the text says. The idea of translation is not to add a bunch of cultural concepts but to transmit the scripture accurately. I understand the challenges of translating to different cultures. I grew up with hunter-gathers in the rainforest of Southeast Asia, the son of Bible translators. I think this "translation" does a poor job of transmitting the underlying Greek text.

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DAL | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Sep 2 2021 8:48 AM

James Macleod:

I find these translations patronizing, as if First Nations people can't understand the Word of God like the rest of us. Everything has to be explained to them by the translator. In so doing, the scripture is corrupted. It is more about marketing than anything else. Better to get a good accurate translation in a language you understand and study it for yourself.

You are right on point, sir! You explain to people during a class but you never add nor take away much less rewrite the Word of God. As my friend White Feather says, “ This is not a translation and it’s sad they’re selling this as something all native Americans approve or as a translation that represents native Americans when that’s far from the truth!”

I’d rather see the New World Translation and its interlinear being sold in Logos than this “retelling” book. It would be more helpful for study purposes than this.

DAL

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DAL | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Sep 6 2021 2:35 PM

Bruce Roth:
Yes, the title in the article is what bothered my friend and the family I know: “Native Christians: Indigenous Bible Version Is ‘Made By Us For Us’”

DAL

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