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Adam Borries (Faithlife) | Forum Activity | Posted: Thu, Aug 19 2021 4:44 PM

The Important Passages guide section was introduced in Logos 8 as a kind of "super cross-references" tool that lists which passages are most strongly related and why. 

We are doing some work to make this feature more accessible to our international audience, and we want to take some time to learn your impressions of it. 

It should take only a minute or two to fill out this survey: https://forms.gle/HShdz9FpEAcA6Mfo8

Thanks in advance!

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Aug 19 2021 5:32 PM

Am I the only one who has to sign into a Google account and then don't have access to the survey?

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Kiyah | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Aug 19 2021 5:47 PM

MJ. Smith:

Am I the only one who has to sign into a Google account and then don't have access to the survey?

No. I was already signed into google and it told me I don't have permission.

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Damian McGrath | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Aug 19 2021 6:51 PM

I received a Google Form from you, but I can't open it because it's restricted to people within your organization. If you would like me to fill it out, follow the instructions here: https://support.google.com/docs?p=open_form"

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Dave Hooton | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Aug 19 2021 11:30 PM

Sorry, Adam

But if you don't take the time to properly authorize it, I won't complete it.

I will tell you that I tried IP's for the first time on a well know passage  Daniel 11:3-4 (regarding Alexander and his downfall)

  • Dan 11:5, 16, 36 don't apply to Alexander
  • Dan 5:19, 7:2 don't apply to Alexander
  • Jer 12:15, 15-17 don't apply to the circumstances of Alexander
  • Jer 12:17, 18:7  I can apply to Alexander (and the other kings/empires of Daniel)
  • Jer 42:10 ??
  • Jer 49:36; Zech 2:6 use the 4 winds theme, as with other Wind passages not directly attributable to Alexander
  • Dan 10:1 ??
  • Ps 37:35, 35-36; 39:6; 49:6 ??
  • Dan 7:7-8, 23-24; 2:40-49 speaks of the 4th Kingdom when Alexander is the 3rd.
  • Dan 7:7 (see above) is mentioned twice.
  • Dan 2:32, 4:35 refer to the first Kingdom. 4:35 is mentioned twice.
  • Dan 7:4-7 refers to 3 kingdoms (v6 is Alexander). The verse is mentioned twice.
  • Dan 7:8 is the Antichrist at the end-time
  • Jas 1:18; Eph 1:11; Heb 2:4; Ec 2:18, 19, 18-19; 4:8 ??
  • Gen 1:29; Ps 37:38; Amos 4:2 ??
  • 1 Mac 1:2-6; 1:1-6, 1:1-9 are overlapping
  • Dan 8:4-14, 5-9, 8-22   are overlapping

I didn't list the passages in the order they were presented, but it would help if they were presented in canonical order.

A brief milestone search of my commentaries did not find a  mention of passages like Ec 2:18, 19 in a relevant passage of Daniel. I can say "Amen" to many passages (Psalms) that relate to the downfall of the wicked in general, but many/all of the passages appear to be machine curated.

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Tes | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Aug 20 2021 12:41 AM

There is no access.

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Aug 20 2021 12:42 AM

Dave Hooton:
but many/all of the passages appear to be machine curated.

Perhaps because they are?

Rick Brannan, Important Passages: Dataset Documentation (Bellingham, WA: Faithlife, 2018).:

Reasons

• Commentaries: The reference occurs frequently in commentary discussion of the study passage.

• Lexicons: Both references are frequently cited in lexicon articles discussing vocabulary common to both verses.

• Shared Cultural Concepts: Both references analyzed sharing concepts in the Lexham Cultural Outlines, or Cultural Concepts.

• Shared Topics: Both references share common biblical concepts analyzed by Logos Controlled Vocabulary (LCV), which is the organizing principle of the Factbook.

• Bible Sense: Both references are analyzed sharing Bible Sense Lexicon analysis senses.

• Shared People/PLaces/Things: Both references share common components (people, places, and things) analyzed by the BibleKnowledgebase.

• New Testament Use of the Old Testament: Both references occur in a common entry in the New Testament Use of the Old Testament dataset.

• Similar Commands: Both references are analyzed as containing similar types of commands.

• Shared Miracles: Both references have some aspect of a Miracle in common.

• Speaking To God: Both references share some common aspect in address to Deity.

• Theophanies: Both references involve some aspect of a theophany.

• Similar Questions: Both references are analyzed as containing similar types of questions.

• Similar Sacrifices: Both references share some commonality regarding sacrifice.

• Proverbs: Both references are analyzed as similar types of proverbs.

• Parallel Passages: Both references occur in a common parallel text. This could involve synoptic gospels, or other sets of parallels (OT History, Jude-2 Peter, Pauline Parallels).

• Shared Figurative Language: Both references involve common use of a particular type of figurative language.

• Parables: Both references have some aspect of a Parable in common.

• Shared Preaching Themes: Both references share a common preaching theme.

I always use this with the type visible as that tells me what I am looking for as the relationship between the references. When this was in beta testing I remember arguing that it belonged as a supplement not a replacement for Cross-references as it was originally presented.

For example, Daniel 11:16 and36  are selected because some lexicon has both the base text and the linked text as references in the same entry.; Da 11:5 does not appear in my list - I probably don't own the relevant resource.

                      Daniel 11:36-39 appears because of a shared cultural concept ...

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Dave Hooton | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Aug 20 2021 4:09 AM

MJ. Smith:
I always use this with the type visible as that tells me what I am looking for as the relationship between the references.

I looked at All Types by Rank, which I now realise was a mistake. Better to look at All Types by Type as it shows the types that are available.

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Adam Borries (Faithlife) | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Aug 20 2021 7:44 AM

MJ. Smith:

Am I the only one who has to sign into a Google account and then don't have access to the survey?

Sorry about this folks. Fixed!

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