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Dan Pritchett | Forum Activity | Posted: Thu, Jul 22 2010 7:26 PM

The title of this post will probably help clear up any confusion about whether it is okay to post the names of the competition or not.

I was asked to comment on this recently, and am happy to oblige. We have no problem with people posting comments that include the names of other Bible software companies or products. The issue is not that we have a "naughty word list" that includes words like "Accordance, Bible Explorer, Biblesoft, BibleWorks, Laridian, Olive Tree, Quickverse, WORDsearch..." but rather, since we are in the Logos forums, we want to keep the focus on Logos.

There's an appropriate use of discussion related to Logos that mentions other products. For example, did you know that BibleWorks supports external links to Logos books? There are two ways to talk about that. One "cool" way is to start a thread and ask other Logos users which resources are best to buy at Logos so you can link to them from your BibleWorks library, or look for interesting ways to link from BibleWorks to specialized resources within Logos. Alternatively, a "not so cool" way would be to start a thread and basically create an advertisement for BibleWorks, and encourage all the Logos users to drop Logos and go buy BibleWorks, and then put an actual hyperlink to a discount page. The difference is clear, keep the conversation about Logos, and not an advertisement for, or link to, the other companies and products.

Also, please remember we are talking about companies and products designed to help people get more into Bible study. Let's not forget that there are real human beings behind these products, and they want to sell a product yes, but they could be in any business they want. They chose to be where they could help get people into the Word. On a business level we are on different "teams", but on another level it is more like your kids being on different "teams" in little-league. When the season is over both your kids are still on "Dad's team".

People tend to get passionate about products, brands, sports teams, theologies, denominations, local churches... you get the idea. Because of this passion, there is a danger to cheer on the home team a little too fervently, at the expense of the "competition", and that is what we want to avoid.

When you happen to mention another product, make sure it is kind, gentle, appropriate and relevant to the thread, and that the thread is about Logos. At Logos we are all about the Bible and better access to it. We think everyone should be studying the Bible, and we are glad that there is enough interest in Bible study to have so many products for that purpose.

  • Do we love our baby? Yes!
  • Is the Logos forum designed to be all about Logos? Yes!
  • Do other companies produce products to help people in Bible study? Yes!
  • Is it okay to mention other products without advertising or linking to them? Yes!

I hope that clears it up, except for one last thing I really want to say, and this bears repeating, ahem, Accordance, Bible Explorer, Biblesoft, BibleWorks, Laridian, Olive Tree, Quickverse, WORDsearch...

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LaRosa Johnson | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jul 22 2010 7:35 PM

I think it's cool that all of these companies can work together in one way or another & that they all have the common goal of getting people to study the Word of God Smile

It's nice to see the Olive Tree guys @ BibleTech... or Accordance & Logos & BibleWorks going head to head @ SBL, but still sitting down & being friendly with one another after it's all said & done.

You gotta luv it! They all push each other to excel & make Bible study better for the consumer!

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jul 22 2010 7:53 PM

Dan Pritchett:
except for one last thing I really want to say, and this bears repeating, ahem, Accordance, Bible Explorer, Biblesoft, BibleWorks, Laridian, Olive Tree, Quickverse, WORDsearch...

I object. You failed to mention Biblia Clerus, Davar 3, The Faith Database (which currently has some problems with its downloads), Vulgate 4, Bible Mapper, Menologion, and Universalis all of which sit on my Logos shortcut bar - which tells you what I treat as my primary product. Big Smile ... and I have none that you mentioned although I did help my father with one of them.

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Paul Golder | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jul 22 2010 8:03 PM

LaRosa Johnson:
You gotta luv it! They all push each other to excel & make Bible study better for the consumer!

And I get to sit back and reap all the benefits... Big Smile

 

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J. Morris | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jul 22 2010 8:06 PM

I'm glad for the clarification.  Much appreciated.

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Jerry Bush | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jul 22 2010 8:13 PM

What about little ol' e-Sword?

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Rosie Perera | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jul 22 2010 8:16 PM

Great post, Dan, thank you. What an example of godly competition. And you've just proven a point that I think I'd made somewhere else which is that the mere mention of the names of those products is not a problem. It does not cause Search engines to drive more traffic to their sites or anything (which some of the other MVPs were claiming). If that were the case you wouldn't have so gleefully repeated them over and over in your post. Wink

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Matthew C Jones | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jul 22 2010 8:19 PM

MJ. Smith:
I object. You failed to mention
  ...... Dan did not mention ABible either (Japanese software) but who's keeping track?

I do have all the software programs mentioned (-Laridian) and while I find nice things about each of them, there are two points I want to make for the other Logos users:

1) I have never gone to other companies' websites and trashed their product because I think it is wrong to do so.

2) I know Logos is the best in the field.  And that is quite an achievement considering some of the other companies also do well.

 

Thank you Dan (& Bob, Dale, Phil & just about everybody at Logos) for being so gracious about everything.

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Bohuslav Wojnar | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jul 22 2010 9:32 PM

It's early morning here in Europe and I want to say Dan, you made my day. You just proved to me that, yes, you are a business company, but you are first of all Bible believing, God loving Christians. I feel very good, and even better now, about using of your product, by far the best Bible program on the market IMHO.

Just to add one little point, before we have all the Czech and Polish Bibles in Logos, Davar 3 icon will seat on my Logos toolbar to get an easy access to those Bibles as I study Logos.

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Ted Hans | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jul 22 2010 11:17 PM

Thanks Dan for the clarification though I did not need it, your previous post was clear to me. Some users went far beyond what you intended in your previous post on the same subject matter. Stifling appropriate conversation/inquiry on the forum when another software was mentioned which did not involve promoting or linking to other products though their intentions were noble.

I have argued on three separate threads for the above (your clarification) as your intended meaning. Glad that this will lay to rest what in my view was a draconian application and interpretation of your previous post. Thanks again & good morning down here in the UK.

 

Ted

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Donovan R. Palmer | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jul 22 2010 11:34 PM

Excellent post. I suggest this be a 'sticky' at the top of the forum for future reference.

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Alan Macgregor | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jul 23 2010 1:49 AM

Donovan R. Palmer:

Excellent post. I suggest this be a 'sticky' at the top of the forum for future reference.

I'd second that! Yes

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Nathan Madison | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jul 23 2010 3:30 AM

Ok now that this is out and in the air is this the correct place to ask if logos4 has links that will allow me to access my wordsearch POSB comentaries. I've used both for years with LOGOS being my main application i would love to be able to access that data.  (espeacily  with Logos 4 faster search capaiblities). Huh?

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Robert Pavich | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jul 23 2010 3:52 AM

Dan,

thanks for the clarification....

 

I get it...Surprise

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Juanita | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jul 23 2010 4:07 AM

Jerry Bush:

What about little ol' e-Sword?

Jerry

Yes, I thought of that one, too, along with any other free Bible software or smaller package like OLB. 

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Jerry Bush | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jul 23 2010 5:47 AM

E-Sword is a pretty amazing little piece of software for what it is. I still recommend it to people that just want to do simple searches and are not ready to take the plunge into Logos. There are no other paid programs that I would recommend.

A great reflection on L4:
I used Logos 3 almost exclusively. I also had e-Sword installed. I used it for quick searches and copying. Mostly copying to make PPoint slides. After a few weeks of Logos 4, I realized that I was not opening e-Sword anymore. The speed and improved copying features had eliminated my need for it.

I honestly can't think of anything Logos 4 does not have that I need. I have a copy of WORDsearch that is not installed. I can download e-Sword anytime. No need to because of L4. Pretty cool.

Now if they would only get the UPDATED version of My Utmost For His Highest in Logos, I would be totally happy.

How about Community Pricing to gauge interest, Logos gals & guys?

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LaRosa Johnson | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jul 23 2010 6:01 AM

Nathan Madison:
if logos4 has links that will allow me to access my wordsearch POSB comentaries

That currently isn't possible right now.

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James Thompson | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jul 23 2010 7:50 AM

Dan Pritchett:
There's an appropriate use of discussion related to Logos that mentions other products. For example, did you know that BibleWorks supports external links to Logos books? There are two ways to talk about that. One "cool" way is to start a thread and ask other Logos users which resources are best to buy at Logos so you can link to them from your BibleWorks library, or look for interesting ways to link from BibleWorks to specialized resources within Logos.

Dan,

I really appreciate this clarification. The specific example you used is something I've had several questions about since I own BibleWorks. With the release of BW8 some of the external links to Logos don't work with the same ease (probably an overstatement) as they did with BW7. I had wanted to ask a few questions but it seemed like everytime someone mentioned a competing product the "forum police" would immediately pounce on the unsuspecting offender. Again, thanks for the clarification.

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Bohuslav Wojnar | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jul 23 2010 8:28 AM

Ted Hans:

Thanks Dan for the clarification though I did not need it, your previous post was clear to me. Some users went far beyond what you intended in your previous post on the same subject matter. Stifling appropriate conversation/inquiry on the forum when another software was mentioned which did not include promoting or linking to the product though their intentions were noble.

I have argued on three separate threads for the above (your clarification) as your intended meaning. Glad that this will lay to rest what in my view was a draconian application and interpretation of your previous post. Thanks again & good morning down here in the UK.

 

Ted

Yes Ted, you are right (as usually Smile ). The way the regulations has been usually explained on the forum (not by Logos but by us, users) somehow did not go well together with all other very broadminded and gracious attitude of Bob and other people in Logos to anybody, even users who abused Logos verbally and have not acted fair to them. I am very glad we have heard that clarification from Dan. Now I feel much better about their attitude to the other Bible software companies than before. It's true "chesed" (steadfast love) attitude. As I understand "chesed" is that it is the attitude of a winner towards all others. Only those who are sure of their place in Christ (and I believe it applies to people in the Bible software companies also) can truly express chesed like David did in many occasions. I'll stop here before I start preaching... Embarrassed

 

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Ted Hans | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jul 23 2010 8:49 AM

Beautiful post from you Bohuslav. What can I say? As for you preaching just a gentle reminder when will you get round making your web site more English friendlySmile? Second time I am asking, looking forward to your musingYes.

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