Will Logos 9 Desktop Windows run on Atom? Samsung Galaxy Book Go?

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Steven Veach | Forum Activity | Posted: Fri, Sep 10 2021 3:21 PM

I've been looking at the new Samsung Galaxy Book Go that has recently come out in the US. I love the 18 hour battery life and the price $249! But, I was halted in my tracks when I discovered that many windows programs will not run on this windows machine because of the atom processor.  

I have confirmed that Scrivener will not run on this machine yet so the only other reason I would get this computer is to run Logos. I have Logos mobile on my phone, and although it is a good app, there are many features I would still like to have that are only available in the desktop version (i.e. personal books, search capability is much better in desktop). 

I don't really want to go through the trouble of taking a shot in the dark and having to return it because the one program I need to run on it won't. 

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JT (alabama24) | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Sep 10 2021 6:33 PM

If Scrivener won't run, certainly Logos would not operate well on it even if it did run. 

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Steven Veach | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Sep 11 2021 6:01 AM

That's dissappointing. I've found a replacement for Scrivener by combining Simple Notes and Microsoft Word but there appears to be no software that is close to Logos Desktop. 

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Bill Anderson | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Sep 11 2021 7:09 AM

Looking at the specs of the Samsung Galaxy Book Go, it appears this has a Snapdragon 7c processor. That's an ARM-based processor, not an Intel Atom. This may be one of the reasons Logos might not run on it, or not run well. 

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Steven Veach | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Sep 11 2021 8:17 AM

That's correct. My mistake. I meant to say ARM processor not Atom. I'm really glad I didn't jump at buying this laptop when it came out at $350. I never once would have imagined it wouldn't run windows applications. That has been the simple test all these years for me, "if it is running windows it will run my programs." I was shocked when I watched a review video and the reviewer said 50% of the programs he normally used would not work.  

I guess jumping out of a windows laptop and into my android phone only was at the right time. When I left TW5 about a year ago and wanted to upgrade Bible programs I knew I would need a better laptop. I got an acer with 1TB hard drive, 8gb ram, etc. It works great. But within a month it started breaking down on  me. The screws would strip out. The screen was wobbly on the hinges. I contacted the manufacturer and they were no help. I would have to send it to them. It's my only machine! What am I supposed to do for 6 weeks while you "repair" it? Play with sticks?  

Switching over to my phone+bluetooth keyboard has worked rather great. I've replaced 95% of my windows software programs with some combination of other android apps. And Logos Mobile for Android is pretty good. Actually, when compared with the competition, it's really good. The only one that comes close in function is MySword and even it's way behind. Accordance mobile isn't even on the same planet yet.  

But, yesterday I had my laptop on with Logos desktop running and I have to say, when comparing desktop to mobile, Logos mobile really needs some fine tuning and feature/functionality upgrades.  

I was hoping the Galaxy Book Go would bridge the gap, with 18 hours of battery life (which probably means about 10-12 - my current laptop is supposed to get 14 but it only gets about 6). My Android phone, on the other hand, runs 24/7 and when paired with my external battery brick, it can last 5+ days without connection to the grid, and that's with 16+ hours of use each day. I don't mind the screen size at all, and I can do everything I did on windows without too much trouble. 

If only the Bible program could do everything I need. It would be at least reassuring if I thought Faithlife was actually developing it instead of just maintaining. But, maybe I'm just impatient. I'm sure in 10-15 years it will do everything I want it to do today. 

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Bill Anderson | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Sep 11 2021 12:34 PM

Steven, have you tried the Logos web app? If you are looking for something that is better than the mobile app and will work on any computer and operating system, you might give it a look.

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Steven Veach | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Sep 11 2021 2:23 PM

Yeah, I've used it a few times. As I understand it, it does not povide the personal book feature, but I think I can find an android app that will simulate this with pdfs and ebooks (content searches). I have a program now that will do it but only gives you three results and then wants you to pay for the rest. I need to keep searching for a fully free one. 

But, the web app might just work for those detailed search results I"m looking for, at least for my logos purchased titles. The only downside, of course, is I need to be online to use the web app and I spend 5 days a week in a location with spotty to no internet access. I suppose I could save up my detailed searches for the weekend when I'm back in civilization. ;-) 

I'll look at the web app a little closer this week. 

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Steven Veach | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Sep 11 2021 4:40 PM

So, I'm trying out the Logos web app as I'm winding down the day and I have to say it has some really strong selling points. First off, I can use the interlinears with it. I was shocked. In regular mobile "mode" it does not show up, but if I choose the option in my browser to show the desktop version of the site, then the interlinear button appears and it works just like in the desktop program. 100% great. 

Searches are also very quick (at least while I'm in town on good internet - we'll see how it performs when I'm barely getting .5 mbps). They show the search results totals which is helpful. Using the word study and exegetical guides also seem to function nicely.  

Drawbacks:

It appears as if the links between two partial Bibles are not honored in the web app. I have an LXX Bible linked to a TR Bible so when I have say Rev 1 opened and go to Gen 1, it auto switches to the appropriate bible (in the desktop and mobile apps). It does not do this in the web app. Same for commentary series apparently. I opened a volume in pulpit and link them on set A with the NKJV, but when I go to different places in the Bible, the commentary does not switch to the appropriate vol, reference. It does do this with both desktop/mobile.  

I could see having the web app as a backup when I need to use some of the search features that are not available in the mobile. In fact, searching in mobile is abysmal, since I have a bluetooth keyboard connected, it has a glitch that requires I open the search, run the search, close the search window, reopen a new search window, run the search again from history and then it will work. Otherwise it gets stuck on "loading" and never actually produces the results. This does not occur when the keyboard is not connected, but I cannot use the phone without the keyboard when studying.  

Then again, because the web app requires that I have internet access, I'm not really certain if its any better than using google to look up passages and references. If the web app works so would google. In fact, I'm betting (your money not mine) google will be faster than the web app on .5 mbps. We'll see next week when I head back out. 

One BIG, BIG difference I see between web and mobile is highlighting verses/sections. It works very smoothly with the web app. I can use my mouse to highlight any part of the passage I want, even if it scrolls down below the fold. No problem. I cannot scroll with the up/down arrows, but using the mouse wheel works perfectly. I can even highlight hebrew and greek text (of course, not in the reverse interlinears). 

If they could just magically port all the functionality of the web app into the android app, while keeping the great features they have in the android app already, we would have something really useful on a mobile platform. Then they need to nix the requirement for an internet connection as I will never have dependable internet at my camp. It is too remote and way too deep in the woods. Then again, I never thought I would have any kind of internet at all out there, and thanks to my phone upgrade this year, I've been really enjoying .5 mbps all summer! Well, in some spots on my property that is! From my hammock, yes! That's really all that matters, right? All things are relative though. I remember when on dial-up it would take 2-3 hours just to download a single mp3 song. 

I couldn't switch entirely from mobile to web because of the non linking issues with commentaries, or partial bibles. But, I could definitely see using both to make up for deficiencies in both. Will depend on the performance with limited bandwidth. 

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DMB | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Sep 11 2021 6:17 PM

Steven Veach:
First off, I can use the interlinears with it. I was shocked. In regular mobile "mode" it does not show up,

I assume you meant mobile does NOT do interlinears? Which is definitely not true ... it does them quite nicely. Better than the web app.  I mix and match them against the Accordance interlinears.

Steven Veach:
One BIG, BIG difference I see between web and mobile is highlighting verses/sections. It works very smoothly with the web app ...

I'm not sure your point, again. On mobile, you 2-finger, to get the desired area to highlight. Not perfect, but mobile offers scrolling vs paging (a big coding challenge).

You also implied limited mobile development? That's not quite true either ... they do minor bug updates, but the majors have some serious coding. My impression is it's aimed at the pastors and integration in a church environment (which I think is perfect ... obviously I'm not a pastor though).

Now, admitedly I'm a big mobile critic ... largely gripes on navigation and verse-syncing. But they do produce a pretty sophisticated product.

Overall, frankly mobile is passing desktop, except in the tools area (which I don't use).

Unless, I read you wrong?

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Steven Veach | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Sep 11 2021 8:29 PM

DMB:

I assume you meant mobile does NOT do interlinears? Which is definitely not true ... it does them quite nicely. Better than the web app.  I mix and match them against the Accordance interlinears.

Actually, I mean the web app does do interlinears and the mobile does not. The only interlinear I can get to work on the mobile is a straight interlinear that is static. I can't change anything in it. The reverse interlinears do not work at all in the mobile. But in the web app they seem to work fine. I don't see this as working nicely. Unless I'm missing something and reverse interlinears now work on the mobile. The reverse interlinears were a real selling point for me when I moved to Logos from Accordance. I was disappointed when I moved to android that they didn't work on mobile. 

DMB:
I'm not sure your point, again. On mobile, you 2-finger, to get the desired area to highlight. Not perfect, but mobile offers scrolling vs paging (a big coding challenge).

I primarily use a bluetooth keyboard with my phone, which the phone is attached to a phone stand so it hovers over my chest when I'm sitting/laying in a recliner or in a hammock. I only use the touch screen when I'm out in the woods or out and about in town and don't have my keyboard connected. With the keyboard the scrolling does not work at all in the mobile app with the mouse or the arrow keys. With the web app, I can scroll easily up and down with the mouse. I have to turn off scrolling and use paging so I can use my keyboard. It's really annoying. 

I know what you're saying about the two fingers to highlight and that works. But I can only highlight whats on the screen and this is a real pain when I'm trying to copy and paste a long verse or passage from logos mobile to my wordprocessor. With the web app, I'm able to go in and highlight with my mouse like I do in windows and can highlight as much of the passage as I want. 

DMB:
You also implied limited mobile development? That's not quite true either ... they do minor bug updates, but the majors have some serious coding. My impression is it's aimed at the pastors and integration in a church environment (which I think is perfect ... obviously I'm not a pastor though). Now, admitedly I'm a big mobile critic ... largely gripes on navigation and verse-syncing.

I would definitely imply the development has stalled or crawls. For the price people pay for books and tools and features, it is ridiculous that there is not better development. Faster development. I used The Word Bible Software for years before my studies outgrew it and I have to say the development of a free program with only one programmer is much, much better and more responsible than Logos. Of course, I would say Accordance is much worse than Logos in this regard, so its all pretty relative. With Accordance I just kept getting the standard reply, "you can't do that with Accordance." More than frustrating! 

I realize I'm using an android phone very differently than most people. But I can't imagine I'm too far ahead of where everyone is going. I just wish they would put more effort into the mobile, or let us pay for features we actually want developed. 

DMB:
But they do produce a pretty sophisticated product. Overall, frankly mobile is passing desktop, except in the tools area (which I don't use). Unless, I read you wrong?

I do agree the logos mobile on android is quite impressive. It runs circles around accordance for android and looks so much more modern than MySword. Nothing else on the market even comes close. But when I'm actually doing research I find problems with the functionality that should not be a problem for a paid app like this. Yes, I realize I paid for the desktop version. That's fine. Release a paid mobile version so we can get some traction on some feature updates already.  

I really hope you are correct about mobile passing desktop, but I'm not sure how you're doing the grading here. There are many features on the desktop that are simply not available on mobile (at least on android, I don't know anything about apple). And until they fix the basic function with peripherals, more robust search capabilities (and bug fixes), and reverse interlinear capabilities, the program will remain a toddler.   

I'm not sure what you mean by except in the area of tools. Are you referring to books and commenteries? Or do you mean features, like exegetical guide and word study? The former work pretty seamlessly between the desktop and mobile (except for the ability to use personal books on mobile), but the latter really suffers. The exegetical guide and word study are subpar on mobile compared to the desktop program. And not being able to run a word study on a phrase (or have a phrase study) is just silly (unless I'm missing a way to do this on mobile or desktop).   

If logos wants me to spend some money, lets crowd fund feature updates on the mobile app. I would rather spend money on that than on sub par commentary sets or books I have no interest in reading. Maybe keep the mobile app free but also offer a premium mobile app that expedites much needed features. 

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Steven Veach | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Sep 11 2021 9:50 PM

Another feature of the web app that I really like:

When I run a search on all my resources and get the results, I can go through and when I find something I want to read further, I just hold the CTRL key down and tap once on the track pad and it opens that resource at that particular reference point in a new tab. So I go through my results finding all the entries I want to look at, then I can go through all the entries afterward. This is exactly what I did on the desktop program. But it never takes away from the main search results. In the mobile app, this is not possible. Clicking on a link (or CTRL clicking) just opens the link up to the result. I have to go back and forth. Being able to collect search result entries as separate, open tabs is much more efficent for my process. I used this extensively during my dissertation in the desktop program. 

Bonus:

I also just discovered I can highlight a large section of text, pages and pages even (say a detailed analysis in a Bible dictionary on millenialism, and this can be quickly pasted into my text to speech reader. I cannot do this with the mobile app since there is no way to copy multiple pages like this (possibly this can be done with scrolling set to on and using the touch to select/highlight instead of a keyboard. with a keyboard it is impossible). 

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DMB | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Sep 12 2021 7:43 AM

Steven Veach:
Another feature of the web app that I really like:

Sounds like you found your home!  At least when you have internet-support.

I agree, the mobile use of panels instead of tabs is a pain (and yes, highlighting).  Plus, it's hard to convince friends to use the FL apps since non-standard (as FL loves to do).

I'm still mystified by your mobile-no-interlinear. Below, I have a hebrew interlinear sync'd to my Samaritan. Now, granted the sync'ing can't match up verses.  And if I page the interlinear, it skips verses. But I'm sure I never wanted to see the skipped verses anyway! Ha.

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Graham Criddle | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Sep 12 2021 8:23 AM

DMB:
I'm still mystified by your mobile-no-interlinear.

From what Stephen wrote above I think he recognises the "regular" interlinear works and his comment is more related to reverse-interlinear functionality.

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DMB | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Sep 12 2021 8:54 AM

Graham Criddle:

DMB:
I'm still mystified by your mobile-no-interlinear.

From what Stephen wrote above I think he recognises the "regular" interlinear works and his comment is more related to reverse-interlinear functionality.

Egg on  face!  I guess I've never used an RI on mobile. Always OLs.

I wonder why RIs are verboten. George's ghost.

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Steven Veach | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Sep 12 2021 9:18 AM

Exactly as Graham stated. even if reverse interlinears don't work at least provide options in regular interlinears 5o hide lines. I don't need strongs numbers anymore and rarely the lemma. But i also agree with the question why no reverse interlinears? I am excited to try the web app down range though with slow internet.

I forgot my keyboard at ho.e today. 8 so hate typing with o ly thumbs!

 

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Graham Criddle | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Sep 12 2021 9:30 AM

Steven Veach:
even if reverse interlinears don't work at least provide options in regular interlinears 5o hide lines. I don't need strongs numbers anymore and rarely the lemma

This (being able to change which interlinear lines are shown) is actually available on iOS. I don't remember whether there was a specific reason it has not been made available on Android.

It would be interesting to get an update on this from Faithlife.

Steven Veach:
But i also agree with the question why no reverse interlinears?

Do you mean the lack of ability to display RI information in RI-enabled Bibles?

The RIs are "present" as some of the underlying tagging is used to support Orlginal Language lookup in RI-enabled Bibles etc

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Steven Veach | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Sep 12 2021 1:08 PM

Do you mean the lack of ability to display RI information in RI-enabled Bibles?

Yes, that is exactly what I mean. RIs were a big reason for my switch to logos and I just don't understand why this feature wouldn't have been included early on for mobile. Since the regular interlinears are static displaying RI would make those capable static as well, basically ruining readability of those translations. I would put making all interlinears dynamic at a much higher priority that it apparently is at the M omens. But at least with the web app I still have some access, so not all is lost ;-)

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DMB | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Sep 12 2021 4:35 PM

Graham Criddle:
The RIs are "present" as some of the underlying tagging is used to support Orlginal Language lookup in RI-enabled Bibles etc

I'm probably looking for 'more egg' ... are you sure?  Seems like it's only online, and sends the english to the server to get the lemma/tags/lexicon ... I notice it gets mixed up, when I was in NABRE's Sirach (comparing to hebrew Sirach).

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Steven Veach | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Sep 12 2021 6:43 PM

DMB:

I'm probably looking for 'more egg' ... are you sure?  Seems like it's only online, and sends the english to the server to get the lemma/tags/lexicon ... I notice it gets mixed up, when I was in NABRE's Sirach (comparing to hebrew Sirach).

I know the lookup wouldn't work for the NKJV when I was offline until  downloaded a lexicon. When offline pulls from the lexicon. When online, it pulls from both lexicon and online material.  

I would imagine, though, the guts of  RI is actually still in the module file. Its the same module in all apps. I think it's just the ability to display it that's the problem. 

So glad to be typing on a keyboard again. ;-) 

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Graham Criddle | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Sep 12 2021 11:19 PM

DMB:
Seems like it's only online, and sends the english to the server to get the lemma/tags/lexicon .

Sorry - I wasn't referring to where the functionality took place, just that the capability was present "within" the mobile app.

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