BUG: Cannot search for lemmas in "The Apostolic Fathers Greek-English Interlinear"

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Dave Hooton | Forum Activity | Posted: Sat, Oct 9 2021 11:16 PM

The "The Apostolic Fathers Greek-English Interlinear" doesn't recognise Greek lemmas in the Context menu! But the the manuscript word IS the lemma.

LLS:APFTHINT
2019-11-04T23:07:59Z
APFTHINT.logos4

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Rick Brannan (Faithlife) | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Oct 11 2021 8:35 AM

Thaks, Dave. We'll check it out.

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Rick Brannan (Faithlife) | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Oct 11 2021 12:42 PM

I believe this issue is resolved. An updated resource will be distributed on Oct. 26. The Oct. 12 update was missed; for things to be delivered for all platforms on Oct 12 all sorts of things need to happen before 9AM Pacific on Oct 11, and we missed that deadline for this resource (mainly because I didn't know about this or start on it until after 9AM). 

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Rick Brannan (Faithlife) | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Oct 11 2021 12:47 PM

To confirm, Dave, you were reporting that there was no "Lemma" entry on the context menu? So this appears to be correct:

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Dave Hooton | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Oct 11 2021 2:20 PM

Rick Brannan (Faithlife):
To confirm, Dave, you were reporting that there was no "Lemma" entry on the context menu?

Yes

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But why is there no Manuscript entry in your screenshot?

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Dave Hooton | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Oct 11 2021 3:02 PM

Then there is this problem with LakeAFG

LLS:APFTHLKGK
2014-10-03T15:48:59Z
APFTHLKGK.logos4

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i.e. similar to LLS:APFTHINT as the Manuscript is incorrect,  but this one has a Lemma.

Also look at LtftAFG (Lightfoot), which has a Lemma but is missing the Manuscript:

LLS:APFTHLFTGK
2014-10-03T15:48:22Z
APFTHLFTGK.logos4

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Rick Brannan (Faithlife) | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Oct 11 2021 3:05 PM

I think the real question is why is "Manuscript" in yours, Dave.

Basically this resource used a really old way of encoding Lemmas. I changed the underlying reference to the properly supported form instead of the apparently deprecated form it was using.

Details (which I'm largely deducing and guessing about): For short window of time in the LDLS days, we used a "text" type to note text and gave it a field of "lemma" so it would be recognized as a lemma. Since the short window when we did that, we've moved to use a lemma data type. I can totally see that the "text" type would be rendered as "Manuscript" (with the text icon); but now since we're specifically using a lemma data type, it is "Lemma" (with the lemma icon). I'd also guess that keylinking functions approximately correctly, but searching with `lemma:` does not return hits.

Dave, are you saying you believe something is wrong with the screenshot I posted? Because from everything I'm seeing, I view the screen I posted as correct and the one that you posted as reflective of the situation I describe in the paragraph above, and that it should be corrected when the new resource is available in two weeks. 

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Rick Brannan (Faithlife) | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Oct 11 2021 3:26 PM

Follow-up on other editions of the Apostolic Fathers.

First, I believe what used to be "Manuscript" (or the "top line" of an interlinear) is now represented by "Selection" in the right-click menu. The use of "Manuscript" to describe the top line of a text edition has always been inappropriate; it isn't a manuscript. 

Second, the issue with Lake's edition (the "Manuscript" line) is an issue for largely the same reasons as I discussed in my previous response about the Apostolic Fathers interlinear. I'll write a case for this and figure it out, hopefully in time for the next resource update in two weeks.

So I don't think there is an issue with Lightfoot's Apostolic Fathers, or with Holmes' Apostolic Fathers; they appear to be correct in my review.

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Dave Hooton | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Oct 11 2021 4:13 PM

Rick Brannan (Faithlife):
Dave, are you saying you believe something is wrong with the screenshot I posted?

If that reflects the updated LLS:APFTHINT (and the lemma is searchable)  my only comment is that it has no Manuscript entry (my screenshot is version 2019-11-04T23:07:59Z, which cannot be searched for Lemmas).

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Second, the issue with Lake's edition (the "Manuscript" line) is an issue for largely the same reasons as I discussed in my previous response about the Apostolic Fathers interlinear. I'll write a case for this and figure it out, hopefully in time for the next resource update in two weeks.

So I don't think there is an issue with Lightfoot's Apostolic Fathers, or with Holmes' Apostolic Fathers; they appear to be correct in my review.

Lake and Lightfoot's Apostolic Fathers have similar 2014-10-03 versions, the same interlinear order (Manuscript, Morphology, Lemma), and both display a Lemma in the Context Menu but they have different problems with the Manuscript. So I'm confused.

I would like them to be updated with correct Manuscript & Lemma entries (in Context Menu) and be searchable on both entries. If they cannot have correct Manuscript entries, we can search on the Selection (which is the manuscript word).

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