A silly question - number of pericopes in a translation or a book within that translation

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Posted: Wed, Oct 27 2021 3:03 PM

Yes, I know this is as meaningless as the number of chapters and verses, but I need a fairly accurate count of the number of pericopes to spread material tied to pericopes across the year. How would you count the number of pericopes?

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DIsciple II | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Oct 27 2021 5:52 PM

Not at home so can’t test this out, but can you export the compare periscopes report to excel and cont the number of lines, potentially after some data cleanup? this tough is limites to where FL includes the pericope set you are interrated in working with for your lessons. For want your want to do this is quite a logicsl question.

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Dave Hooton | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Oct 28 2021 7:45 AM

MJ. Smith:
... I need a fairly accurate count of the number of pericopes to spread material tied to pericopes across the year. How would you count the number of pericopes?

Create a Reading Plan based on Pericopes and daily readings. Then select a range and estimate pericopes based on the number of chapters e.g. 2x no. of chapters, and make that the number of Sessions for the Plan. I started with 260 sessions for Gen-Lev and noticed there were days with no readings, so I reduced that to 220 and there were still days with no readings. When you get no gaps you may have your number of pericopes, but a quick check may reveal multiple readings e.g. ones that span chapters or books, so work from your gaps. 210 sessions had 6 gaps, so I would say 204 pericopes (in ESV).

It didn't take long to get 352 for Gen-Dt (ESV)  - 472 (NABRE)

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Andrew Batishko | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Oct 28 2021 7:59 AM

Personally I would create a quick script to extract the data directly from the dataset.

ARA - 2887
Basis - 1276
BFC - 3180
BFC - 2760
BIMK - 2614
Bruns - 2794
Buber - 408
COL - 1617
CUV-SC - 889
CUV-TC - 889
DANCLV - 2179
DKV 페리코페 - 1726
EINHEIT - 2922
ELB - 1903
ESV - 2412
Eusebian Canons - 1144
Fijian Bible - 1162
GN97 - 3453
GNB - 3504
GNTMAJ - 1122
HCSB - 2742
Hfa - 2707
HNT - 691
ISV - 3666
ITB - 2304
KRV 페리코페 - 2302
LBLA - 2253
LBT - 1917
LEB - 2436
LES - 1911
LES(AT) - 49
Logos - 3911
LPB - 2727
LS21 - 1658
LUT84 - 2474
Luther - 2593
NABRE - 3041
NASB2020 - 2238
NASB95 - 2245
NBG1951 - 2062
NBLH - 2258
NBS - 2766
NBV - 1561
NCTB 페리코페 - 2528
NEG - 1853
NeÜ - 2271
NFC - 3049
NGÜ - 1225
NIRV - 2025
NIV - 2082
NIV84 - 2030
NJB - 3439
NKJV - 2787
NKRV 페리코페 - 2299
NLB - 2180
NLGNB - 2154
NLT - 2363
NRSV - 3000
NRSVCE - 2881
NTLH - 2687
NTV - 2194
NVI - 2172
Parashat - 105
PDV - 3362
RC - 1933
RC1914 - 1922
RCDN - 1920
REB - 2021
RVA - 2583
RVR60 - 2093
RVR95 - 2054
Schlachter - 2302
Semeur (2000) - 2274
Semeur (2015) - 2275
SILQED - 883
SILQEH - 899
SILTXA - 1156
TB2010 - 2774
TDYMALAYV - 2645
TH-THBS1973 - 2219
TLA - 2478
TNIV - 2105
TOB (2010) - 2787
TPC91R - 847
UBS4 - 850
VPEE - 2654
Zürcher - 2145
가톨릭 페리코페 - 3317
京委本(简体) - 3024
当代译本修订版(简体) - 2060
新漢語譯本新約(繁體) - 849
新譯本(繁體) - 3321
简体和合本修订版(神版) - 2608
简体和合本神版 - 2585
简体现代中文译本上帝版 - 2550
简明圣经(简体) - 978
簡明聖經(增訂版) - 978
繁體台灣客語聖經 - 2601
繁體和合本上帝版 - 2591
繁體和合本修訂版(上帝版) - 2601
繁體四福音書 - 464
繁體現代中文譯本上帝版 - 2569

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Andrew Batishko | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Oct 28 2021 8:01 AM

That said, Dave's plan of creating a pericope-based reading plan is fantastic. If you create a whole Bible plan, it will (potentially) spread your material for you without you having to do the work (and without needing to count the pericopes).

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Mark Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Oct 28 2021 9:15 AM

Dave Hooton:
Create a Reading Plan based on Pericopes and daily readings.

I did that and didn't know when I had gotten to the actual pericope level. It obediently keeps dividing (or combining) sections up to the limit of 215 weeks. It would take some work to figure out exactly when I'd hit the right number of weeks.

Of course, Andrew knows just how to find the data!

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Mark Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Oct 28 2021 9:30 AM

Mark Smith:
I did that and didn't know when I had gotten to the actual pericope level.

The software only allows a maximum of 1500 sessions. According to Andrew's results that would not cover almost all the Bibles he listed. 

It seems that we should be able to create a pericope based reading plan that actually works on the level of pericopes without a lot of extra effort or knowledge. Is that something FL could create???

EDIT: It seems FL could add a 'time' limit of 'however long it takes' to the drop-down menu and let the software create however long a plan is required.

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Oct 28 2021 4:12 PM

Thanks for everyone's help - and especially Andrew for running a script.

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Dave Hooton | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Oct 28 2021 5:01 PM

Andrew,

Agree USB4 (with Morph) - 850

Differ:

NIV2011 - 2113  vs. 2082    (I have to split the range to overcome the 1500 limit)

NIV84 - 2062 vs. 2030

ESV - 2424 vs. 2412

TNIV - 2137 vs. 2105

LES - 1913  vs. 1911  (Agree on LES Alt at 49)

        - but the many pericopes in Enoch are treated as a single Enoch 1-89 in both LES and LES2

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Andrew Batishko | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Oct 29 2021 9:09 AM

Dave Hooton:

NIV2011 - 2113  vs. 2082    (I have to split the range to overcome the 1500 limit)

NIV84 - 2062 vs. 2030

ESV - 2424 vs. 2412

TNIV - 2137 vs. 2105

LES - 1913  vs. 1911  (Agree on LES Alt at 49)

I believe this is because there are verses that aren't contained in any pericope. For example, in ESV, Jeremiah 1:1-3, or Malachi 1:1. These verses get included in the reading plan (potentially as separate readings), but are not listed in my counts because I'm just counting the number of pericopes.

Dave Hooton:
   - but the many pericopes in Enoch are treated as a single Enoch 1-89 in both LES and LES2

LES and LES2 do not have pericopes in Enoch. I'll report this. You can verify this with the Compare Pericopes section of the Passage Analysis tool.

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Dave Hooton | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Oct 29 2021 9:36 AM

Andrew Batishko:
I believe this is because there are verses that aren't contained in any pericope. For example, in ESV, Jeremiah 1:1-3, or Malachi 1:1. These verses get included in the reading plan (potentially as separate readings),

Yes, they are included as separate readings.

Andrew Batishko:
LES and LES2 do not have pericopes in Enoch. I'll report this. You can verify this with the Compare Pericopes section of the Passage Analysis tool.

The tool indicates that, but there are "pericope" headings in LES and LES2?

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Andrew Batishko | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Oct 29 2021 9:40 AM

Dave Hooton:
The tool indicates that, but there are "pericope" headings in LES and LES2?

The text shows up as labels in the resource, but they aren't included in the dataset. You'll notice that unlike other pericopes in the resource, you can't type those pericope titles in the navigation box for that resource.

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Rick Brannan (Faithlife) | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Oct 29 2021 9:51 AM

Andrew Batishko:
LES and LES2 do not have pericopes in Enoch. I'll report this. You can verify this with the Compare Pericopes section of the Passage Analysis tool.

To date, I believe we have only included pericope data for books in the Catholic canon + deuterocanon or in the Protestant OT+NT and Apocrypha. These are basically the books found in the ecumenical version of the NRSV with Apocrypha or the NRSV Catholic Edition. Or, in the case of the Psalms of Solomon and the Odes, the Rahlfs edition of the LXX. This is largely for historical (to Logos/Faithlife) and pragmatic reasons. 

I can (and will) add a case to look into adding the pericope headings from the LES/LES2 Enoch, but I have to be open about it and say that this will not be a high-priority item for us to evaluate and implement.

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Oct 29 2021 11:43 AM

Rick Brannan (Faithlife):
I can (and will) add a case to look into adding the pericope headings from the LES/LES2 Enoch, but I have to be open about it and say that this will not be a high-priority item for us to evaluate and implement.

Somehow, the old "we didn't do it right in the first place so it is low priority to fix" argument - in some cases this is reasonable. Here it sounds rather silly.

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